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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks



    This conservative dink and dunk crap is fine when you get ahead of the chains, but we haven't been ahead of the chains since about last December.
    I'm really surprised by that......either way that was a fantastic throw by Smith. Why we didn't try that all game is beyond me?
    First, great pass by Smith, amazing what a QB can do when he has time and an open receiver.

    Second, you people might want to know that Billick calls tons of downfield passes, the dinks and dunks for the most part are check downs. The reason they look like called plays is our QBs are so damn gun shy from the beatings they drop back and check down without looking downfield about 70% of the time.




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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    I feel bad for Troy today. He's now 0-1 as a starter, and it was unfair to put him in that hole.




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    We looked like CRAP today because we played like CRAP because that's the talent we have on the field. It's been that way all year.

    Goddamned third stringers. I just hate this year, as a fan.

    Corey Ivy should be on the bench!!!!??? Who should be in at corner? Willie freakin' Gaston???

    This godforsaken year, this is what we're left with. *sigh*
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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.
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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Second, you people might want to know that Billick calls tons of downfield passes, the dinks and dunks for the most part are check downs. The reason they look like called plays is our QBs are so damn gun shy from the beatings they drop back and check down without looking downfield about 70% of the time.
    Don't dispute that Greg, but at some point the coach has gotta change something up in his scheme to get the QB some looks further down the field that he likes. For all Billick might be stubborn and say these passes should be there, if the QB doesn't like those reads then Billick as the HC and OC (with Neuheisel) has gotta change the plays up to give us some better downfield looks. Either that or our WRs have gotta work a bit harder to get open downfield to get the coach and QB their downfield looks.

    It's definitely a shared responsibility, the QBs aren't confident enough to look for the plays downfield & the WRs aren't getting open DF. However, if the passing game has gone this stale I'd have expected the coaching staff to switch up the playbook a bit, give us some new looks etc. The coach can't be completely blameless in this one just because the QB isn't looking downfield.




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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.
    All those throws to the wideouts' toes aren't bad throws then? Not all of those were under pressure, they're on Smith (he knows that), he's gotta get 'em up. There were certainly poor aspects of Smith's play today but they weren't the over powering aspect of his performance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.
    I wish I could figure out how you come to that, given the state of our offensive line. He took a couple sacks and fumbled the ball. He had balls tipped at the LOS and threw a couple sure INT's. There was plenty on his end to complain about. But that's what happens when you can't get into a rhythm, and have no competency on the offensive line.

    All I saw was the same old Ravens offense, just with a different QB attempting to throw the ball. Any one of our last 10 QB's could have had this exact game.




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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    OMG!!! A touchdown!

    Wow!! How did Derrick Mason get open??
    Did anyone else notice after the TD pass that they showed Billick on the sideline & he looked pissed? Like Troy switched the play & it worked? Wow, that's what the house full of people here thought.


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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I wish I could figure out how you come to that, given the state of our offensive line. He took a couple sacks and fumbled the ball. He had balls tipped at the LOS and threw a couple sure INT's. There was plenty on his end to complain about. But that's what happens when you can't get into a rhythm, and have no competency on the offensive line.

    All I saw was the same old Ravens offense, just with a different QB attempting to throw the ball. Any one of our last 10 QB's could have had this exact game.
    Easy. Pocket presence and mobility. Something McBoller either lost due to old age or never had to being with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Easy. Pocket presence and mobility. Something McBoller either lost due to old age or never had to being with.
    I wish I saw what you did. Because all that running around didn't do Smith a damn bit of good tonight. And he lost a fumble back there trying to be mobile and pocket present.

    27-6 tells me all that so called pocket presense did nothing to change the game. Did nothing to tell me he had a better game than Boller would have, or McNair would have.




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    Actually Stinger I do I agree that no matter what qb is back there, there are going to be troubles.
    Houston is right though; despite the poor offensive design and the quality of the Seattle Defense, Smith only managed to have several turnovers as opposed to the eight or so that Boller would've had in the same situation. Smith looked fluid and took much better care of the ball than Boller ever has, given the same poor offense.

    I am one of those people who will continue to say that Boller is a major problem - Billick loves the guy and I am willing to bet that he will only call plays to make Boller look good (no downfield calls for McNair or Smith, only Boller). Billick looked pissed on the sideline when Smith actually tried to be effective (by throwing the bomb to Mason) rather than simply looking bad for two games so Billick would have "just cause" to bring back Boller as the starter next year to give hime his 40th or so chance.

    I think what the announcers said about how JO said that he really liked Troy and the way he composed himself. Mason and Jason Brown also verbalized their support for him.

    I have never heard any players give Boller such support BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE HIM. He is a celeb partier who couldn't care less about winning; I never hear anything about him putting in the extra work in the weight room or film room, training with the recievers or anything to develop a repoire with his teammates. Read between the lines over what has gone on the past 5 years since Billick has been here. The team has NEVER responded to Boller; and they probably never will.

    That is why I am more apt to give the same excuses you seem to be pleading for Boller to Smith Instead.

    If you think it is race, think about the times the Ravens have played against Trent Dilfer since Billick let him go. JO always comments about how he (Trent) will always be "his QB" and how they still hang out and talk sometimes. Trent Dilfer commented the last time we played him in Baltimore (when he was with Cleveland) about how he still stays in touch with Ray as well.

    Boller just doesn't click with this team and hasn't done anything to endear himself to his teammates. I am not going to go along with your sob story about how "unfairly" Boller has been treated because, with all the privledge Billick has given to him (starting without proving himself) and all the "special consultants" that were brought in just for Boller, I don't think he has been treated unfairly. This dude who shouldn't have been a starter from day one is basically the coaches son; everyone else on the team can see it and can see it has cost the team for some years.




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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    How many times are you going to flat out LIE about the players not liking Boller PB?




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    Stinger-
    Never will I stop these "lies" because there arent' any. Again, read between the lines; look at how the players react and interact with Boller - they don't.
    Boller took in Mark Clayton during his rookie year; I still don't see him "hanging out" or being chummy with Boller.
    In fact I don't see anyone doing that with Boller (except Billick) on the current team and the only teammate that I saw ever getting along with him was Will Demps (who was more concerned with his modelling career than playing football). Supposedly Derek Anderson was buddy-buddy with him too (according to a Sun interview this year), but he too is no longer here.
    McNair does poorly and the players say they still want him to be the starter; Smith comes in and several players express their endorsement of him. I haven't read any quotes from any of the players saying something to the affect of "Oh boy, I am so excited that I will be playing with Kyle (again)" after McNair went out.
    If you cannot see that Boller is just not very well liked by the team, then keep on preaching the "Boller sob story".




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    Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    I didnt see anything bad from Troy's play. He played as well as he could considering the condition of our O line and he showed more poise and pocket presence than Boller.
    That's what I saw too....I think he did very well under the circumstances.....




  15. Re: GAME THREAD - Ravens/Seahawks

    Just for the record here...
    McCallister was on the Anita Marx show about two months ago when I happened to be listening.

    McCallister was talking about how he, J.O. and Boller were out playing Golf together earlier that day.

    Doesn't exactly sound like two guys that don't like Boller or aren't "chummy" with him in any fashion at all.
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