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    in the article stover says that the ref put in the kicking ball when they werent suppose to.
    "The referees switched the balls," said kicker Matt Stover. "In that situation, they just need to leave what was there on third down and put it in there because it was a time sensitive situation."
    I'm not certain if by the letter of the law this is true but Stover seems to know his stuff so I'll trust him here. Had the refs not screwed around with trying to get a special ball on the field Stover nails the kick.

    Refs make bad plays too and they should be held accountable. Thank god this is preseason and not a real game.




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    Refs make bad plays too and they should be held accountable. Thank god this is preseason and not a real game.
    That's the problem. Billick practices this with the team and would do it in a regular season game in a second. It's stupid and risky and Billick of all people should know you never count on the refs for anything.




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven
    in the article stover says that the ref put in the kicking ball when they werent suppose to.

    I'm not certain if by the letter of the law this is true but Stover seems to know his stuff so I'll trust him here. Had the refs not screwed around with trying to get a special ball on the field Stover nails the kick.

    Refs make bad plays too and they should be held accountable. Thank god this is preseason and not a real game.
    If this were a real game we would have lost the points (and maybe the game) just like we did in preseason. When was the last time you remember hearing about the NFL putting points on the board (or even admitting a mistake) after the fact?

    It just doesn't happen.

    Knowing this, why leave it in the refs hands?

    If the Ravens are faced with this scenario agaisnt the Stealers (down by 7, 18 or 19 seconds on the 2nd hald game clock) and we win, we can all look back and say how foolish we were to ever doubt them. But right now, today, in the scenario we just faced...it was a fools decision.




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Ask Mike Holmgren about leaving the game in the refs hands.




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    Knowing this, why leave it in the refs hands?
    I think that is the key question. I agree 100% with Crazy that the refs should be held accountable for their mistakes. But at the same time when you are 20 seconds from the half with no timeouts there should be no way you risk getting down so far that the refs could make a mistake like that. It didn't even have to be an endzone throw. Throw a 6-7 yard out pattern to the sideline and let Heap or Clayton catch the ball and step out. Even if they don't catch the ball you've stopped the clock.

    There are just too many other feasable possibilities to get that field goal other than a run up the middle. It's not even the run that gets me. It's running up the middle with no chance to stop the clock.

    If it was a regular season game, and we lost by 3 points, wouldn't be a bigger deal than it is now?




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    If the refs make a mistake, the league office sends a you were right we were wrong letter to the team. It still can not change the score.




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    losac lets be fair about billick, he has never done this in a regular season game. trying it in practice and preseason is a different story. getting back to what I was saying earlier about the offense knowing a few plays while stepping up to the line instead of huddling up is the positive to take away from all of this. I think they will get better as the preseason winds down and the regular season starts up. The team is really looking good.
    Knowing this, why leave it in the refs hands?
    Because they are part of the game. Its there job to get that ball set and ready. Better that they are aware of this flub now then in the reg season. I'm glad billick called them out on this in case we are in this sitiuation again perhaps the refs wont switch up the balls.


    If the Ravens are faced with this scenario agaisnt the Stealers (down by 7, 18 or 19 seconds on the 2nd hald game clock) and we win, we can all look back and say how foolish we were to ever doubt them. But right now, today, in the scenario we just faced...it was a fools decision.
    Going into halftime you want to score points. You have two whole quarters to score more points. true if the ravens are down by 7 points in the 4th and they run the FG unit out there would be hell to pay.
    Ask Mike Holmgren about leaving the game in the refs hands.
    Good joke but with all seriousness you should expect a good job from the refs and for them to make the correct calls.


    If it was a regular season game, and we lost by 3 points, wouldn't be a bigger deal than it is now?
    I dont know if its because people are so sick of billick but we have to keep in mind that at this point in the game it was half time.

    I agree with that article. it made reinforced the intial feelings I had when the play unfolded.
    Last edited by crazyraven; 08-21-2006 at 04:48 PM.




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    Oh, I'm not sick of Billick at all. I like Billick. Personally I was under the understanding that Jim Fassel calls the plays the whole 100 yards of the field. And judging by the track record of our two minute offense, I'm inclined to believe that they would do this in a game.

    Going into halftime you want to score points.
    Right. But the problem is we didn't score any. We came away with 0 points instead of 3 or 7. Refs fault or not we put ourselves in that position.




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    Right. But the problem is we didn't score any. We came away with 0 points instead of 3 or 7. Refs fault or not we put ourselves in that position.
    Hopefully in the regular season they wont waste there TO so that something like this doesnt happen. Without having the TO's it Killed their chances of scoring. Didnt they burn one on a challege. I forget.




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    Because they are part of the game. Its there job to get that ball set and ready. Better that they are aware of this flub now then in the reg season. I'm glad billick called them out on this in case we are in this sitiuation again perhaps the refs wont switch up the balls.
    dude, what turnip truck did you fall off of? Do you seriously think that the refs give a rats ass that Billick called them out? Sure, they are a part of the game, but their calls/decisions are also an unknown variable and no coach should ever ASSUME that they will do their jobs correctly.

    Going into halftime you want to score points. You have two whole quarters to score more points. true if the ravens are down by 7 points in the 4th and they run the FG unit out there would be hell to pay.
    I think you know what I meant. The statemnt doesn't change if you replace 7 with 3.

    Good joke but with all seriousness you should expect a good job from the refs and for them to make the correct calls.
    SHOULD is the operative word here...it doesn't always happen. In a situation like this, why leave no room for error?

    I dont know if its because people are so sick of billick but we have to keep in mind that at this point in the game it was half time.
    I am actually a Billick fan, but you have to admit that his 2-minute clock management has been horrible over the years.




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    dude, what turnip truck did you fall off of?
    Lets keep it civil.

    Do you seriously think that the refs give a rats ass that Billick called them out? Sure, they are a part of the game, but their calls/decisions are also an unknown variable and no coach should ever ASSUME that they will do their jobs correctly.
    No i dont think that they give a "rats ass" about billick but I think we all agree that the Refs did fuck up. Billick calling attention to it gets the attention of the officials in NY to have the ref look at for situations like this in the game. Its not uncommon for the refs to be reminded of a rule when they screw up. We do agree that the refs fucked up right?


    I am actually a Billick fan, but you have to admit that his 2-minute clock management has been horrible over the years
    You'll get no arguement from me about that. The 2 minute drill has been horendous...I can only think of two that were really successful and they were done by banks and Grbac




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Last year Boller successfully led one to the winning FG against Houston.

    That being said, most times we seem to do some odd shit.




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    like go 3 and out, fumble the football , drop a catchable pass. (see kevin johnson vs Chiefs 2 years back.) or just run the ball with 17 seconds left and fail to get the kick off....




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    You line up and go to the corner, us or nobody, or throw it away and make the kick. Quick and easy, it's there or it's not, but you definately stop the clock for the kick.




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Alhtough the Ravens wasted valuable time. The Refs seemed like they were against us the entire game. They sure took their time getting the ball in place for the snap. Remember it's only pre-season.






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