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  1. #16

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens



    I'm sorry, but time management was not as bad as it seemed to finish the half the other night.
    If it were not for Billick's abysmal record, you may have a point -- not that I would agree with your point. The Ravens have had far too many blown halftime opportunities since Billick arrived. And an exhibition game is no excuse. Shouldn't the team be practicing how to win games?




  2. #17

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    If it were not for Billick's abysmal record, you may have a point -- not that I would agree with your point. The Ravens have had far too many blown halftime opportunities since Billick arrived.
    Rack That!

    If the coaches didn't screw this pooch on a regular basis we wouldn't give a rat's as about the rare and unusual 2-minute drill screw up.

    Fact is, Billick & Co. have been HORRIBLE when it comes to planning and executing a 2-minute attack. Mr. Fancy Pants out-snookered himself last week and now he wants to divert attention to the refs.




  3. #18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T
    If it were not for Billick's abysmal record, you may have a point -- not that I would agree with your point. The Ravens have had far too many blown halftime opportunities since Billick arrived. And an exhibition game is no excuse. Shouldn't the team be practicing how to win games?
    RACK THAT!

    And it's not just the halftime blunders either, it's been the whole 2 minute drill thing, that get blown as well.

    But since Fassel calls all the offensive plays now, including the redzone, it's his fault, right?




  4. #19

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    If that running play goes for 6 pts it would have been a good Time Management or even if it went for 3 yards the ref stops the clock to reset the ball and then they spike and then run the FG unit out. I realize that playing it safe and passing would have been a good call but our ravens were having some success running the ball. And because of that I think this is more a lack of execution by the Players then the fault of the coaches.

    And Yes The Ravens were out of TO's and perhaps should have used them wisely. I agree that Blaming the ref is childish but lets be fair, the kicking squad was on the field and ready to go.




  5. #20

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    They were definitely having success running the ball. I'm thinking in strict terms more of what you do in a 2 minute drill. If you're going to run, a run up the middle shouldn't even be in the playbook for that situation. If you feel like you have to run, run to the outside so you can either get positive yards or run out of bounds and stop the clock.

    IMO at no point in Fassel's thought process should that play have ever entered his mind.




  6. #21

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    If you're going to run, a run up the middle shouldn't even be in the playbook for that situation.

    I'm not sure about that, again if he scores or gets the first down we aren't having this conversation. The field goal unit was ready. If everything was textbook playbook calling this wouldn't be a very exciting league.

    What I found impressive on that drive is that the offense knew the plays for the drill well in advance--what a concept. In the past time would tick and tick while the team was in the huddle getting the play down.




  7. #22

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    I'm not sure about that, again if he scores or gets the first down we aren't having this conversation.
    What good would a first down be with 10 seconds (or less) left on the clock?

    IF they scored a TD, then we wouldn't be talking here...but they didn't, and it's highly unlikely that they ever would on that play. That's why it makes no sense. With a pass play, you either get the score or the clock stops.

    Bottom line, shit happens. Which is exactly why you play smart and don't leave it in the hands of the officials. If we are down by 7 at the end of the game..OK, I can see taking a shot up the middle.

    in this scenario...Spike the ball, take your time setting up the FG, walk into half-time feeling good.

    It's Preseason, so I am not going to start screaming for the Coach's head. On the other hand, if this was regular season there would be absolutely no excuse for how those 21 seconds played out.




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    I'm not sure about that, again if he scores or gets the first down we aren't having this conversation.
    Still an up the middle run from where they were is not the highest % play to accomplish the 2 most important things at that time:

    1. Score a TD
    2. Stop the clock.

    I'm not saying a run was doomed to failure, but I think taking a shot at the endzone would have been better.
    What I found impressive on that drive is that the offense knew the plays for the drill well in advance--what a concept. In the past time would tick and tick while the team was in the huddle getting the play down.
    Agreed, it was a huge improvement over previous years. This offense is finally getting out of the dark ages. In retrospect it was pretty pathetic that we were excited about adding motion last year. I think every other NFL team has been using motion effectively for a decade.




  9. #24

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobtown
    IF they scored a TD, then we wouldn't be talking here...but they didn't, and it's highly unlikely that they ever would on that play.
    At the same time, if we scored a FG, which we should have, then we would not be having this conversation. We we're ready to kick a FG, with a good 3 seconds left. That's all I'm saying; we we're ready.




  10. #25

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    What good would a first down be with 10 seconds (or less) left on the clock?
    Unless this rule has change, when the clock is under two minutes and a first down is made by the offense the clock stops for the officials to set the ball then starts again when the ref sets the ball and the ref is off the line of scrimmage. With that thinking the the FG unit comes on the field and gets the FG try as soon as the clock starts rolling again. That's what a first down would have gave the ravens instead of the ref sitting in the middle of the line of scrimmage as the time ticked off.




  11. #26

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    At the same time, if we scored a FG, which we should have, then we would not be having this conversation. We we're ready to kick a FG, with a good 3 seconds left. That's all I'm saying; we we're ready.
    Unless this rule has change, when the clock is under two minutes and a first down is made by the offense the clock stops for the officials to set the ball then starts again when the ref sets the ball and the ref is off the line of scrimmage. With that thinking the the FG unit comes on the field and gets the FG try as soon as the clock starts rolling again. That's what a first down would have gave the ravens instead of the ref sitting in the middle of the line of scrimmage as the time ticked off.


    I hear what you guys are saying...but I don't think you are hearing me.

    A good coach/team doesn't leave it up to the refs.




  12. #27

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    I'm not sure about that, again if he scores or gets the first down we aren't having this conversation. The field goal unit was ready. If everything was textbook playbook calling this wouldn't be a very exciting league.
    I hear you. But I'm sort of yes and no on that. Because on that run the clock is still ticking. I'm with Mobtown, why give the refs the chance to screw anything up. Throw the ball, or run to the side and try to bounce out and out of bounds to stop the clock. Stopping the clock should have been the priority on that play, not a run up the middle.

    Thankfully, it is preseason, so you learn from that.




  13. #28

    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    This article pretty much sums it up:
    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...e.jsp?id=11791




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Basically, here are the rules Brian Billick and his coaches follow when presented with these types of opportunities. With no timeouts and 18 to 20 seconds left on the clock, you can execute a running play and still kick a field goal. With no timeouts and 10 seconds remaining, you can try a throw to the end zone and still kick the field goal if the pass is incomplete.
    Sorry, but I don't agree with this at all. And if Billick will continue to follow these "rules", then we are in for some frustrating ends to games or halfs.




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    Re: Time management-Attn. Ravens

    Ravenatic20, thanks for the link. Below are the 2 paragraphs that I thought were most relevant:


    On the sideline, Matt Stover and the field goal team waited to sprint to the line of scrimmage and attempt a field goal. If Musa gained the first down, Steve McNair would spike the ball, and the Ravens would be able to try a throw into the end zone before Stover's group would come out for the attempt. When Smith didn't make the first down, Stover and Co. sprinted to the line of scrimmage for the kick. The half expired before the Ravens got off the field goal attempt.

    "You can try a throw to the end zone with 8 seconds on the clock, but you put the quarterback in a tough situation. We could try a pass with 8 or 9 seconds on the clock, depending on the situation - who you are playing, weather, where you are playing and who's in the game," Billick explained. The NFL has decided that if there is five seconds on the clock, and you attempt an end zone throw and it's incomplete, the game or half ends.

    I still don't know if Musa had gotten the first down there would have been enough time on the clock to: Line everyone up and spike the ball. Then attempt a pass. Then attempt a FG. I kind of think Billick may be outsmarting himself and trying to do to much.




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