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  1. #16

    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?



    To the people who are comparing starting Troy Smith on Sunday to rushing Boller and starting him as a rookie.....GIVE ME A BREAK.

    The situations are so far from similar that even bringing that up is ridiculous.

    First of all. Kyle Boller held out of camp in 2003.

    This team was primed to make what some people said a Super Bowl run and Boller was thrown in as a rookie to be the QB for the team. That pressure is exponentially higher than starting Troy Smith when we're 4-9 almost through a ruined season.

    How can it be that you would think that this compares to what Boller went through as a rookie?

    I don't care either way if Troy Smith or Kyle Boller plays on Sunday. It's a non issue anyway. Boller is starting.

    But to say that starting Smith would somehow equate to scarring him like we did Boller is ludicrous.

    Starting as a rookie on a team that has Super Bowl aspirations and starting game 14 as a rookie on 4-9 team is so different in every facet that Im still shaking my head that it was even brought up.

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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    3. Troy Smith may or may not be good. But you don't learn or gain anything from playing him THIS year...what you do is make him the #2 all offseason and have an open competition in trainign camp next year if he progesses well during OTAs and mini camps and all that fun stuff.
    I'm not sure how you'd be able to argue that you don't gain or learn anything from Smith playing in live-game NFL action, but that you do from splitting mini and training camp practice reps?




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Are we even that sure that starting Boller his first year "scarred him"? Granted he hasn't turned out very well but whose to say sitting on the bench would have helped. I really don't think he has the mentality to play at the NFL level. He doesn't seem to learn from mistakes even after five seasons.

    Don't get me wrong, I have believed all along that he shouldn't have been annointed the starter the first day he came into camp but I do question if, in his case, it would have mattered that much.
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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    To the people who are comparing starting Troy Smith on Sunday to rushing Boller and starting him as a rookie.....GIVE ME A BREAK.

    The situations are so far from similar that even bringing that up is ridiculous.

    First of all. Kyle Boller held out of camp in 2003.

    This team was primed to make what some people said a Super Bowl run and Boller was thrown in as a rookie to be the QB for the team. That pressure is exponentially higher than starting Troy Smith when we're 4-9 almost through a ruined season.

    How can it be that you would think that this compares to what Boller went through as a rookie?

    I don't care either way if Troy Smith or Kyle Boller plays on Sunday. It's a non issue anyway. Boller is starting.

    But to say that starting Smith would somehow equate to scarring him like we did Boller is ludicrous.

    Starting as a rookie on a team that has Super Bowl aspirations and starting game 14 as a rookie on 4-9 team is so different in every facet that Im still shaking my head that it was even brought up.

    PP

    I don't see how. I dont' care what the team's expectations are. Everyone knows we stink. On the team level, you're absolutely right.

    On Troy Smith's level, why fuck with his confidence? Why rush him in to action? What will it prove? Do you really think that no matter how he plays in the last 2 games of this season that it will indicate the type of QB he will be for his career? I just think you gain nothing by playing him now and potentially lose his confidence.

    I'm all for an open competition in next training camp.




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    On Troy Smith's level, why fuck with his confidence? Why rush him in to action? What will it prove? Do you really think that no matter how he plays in the last 2 games of this season that it will indicate the type of QB he will be for his career? I just think you gain nothing by playing him now and potentially lose his confidence.
    If Troy Smith isn't confident or mentally tough enough to survive the typical rookie struggles that plague almost every quarterback entering the league, in three season-ending games that affect nothing more than the losing record of a cellar-dwelling, underachieving football team, then he will never amount to anything as an NFL quarterback. I'll promise you that.

    Contrary to common belief, Boller DID survive them... He just couldn't overcome his physical and mental football defficiencies to ascend beyond the ranks of below-average NFL quarterbacks.

    It's a myth. You either have what it takes, or you don't. And there is only one way to find out.




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Why rush him in to action? What will it prove? Do you really think that no matter how he plays in the last 2 games of this season that it will indicate the type of QB he will be for his career?
    Hell yeah,lets do away with the need of the NFL combine.Lets do away with all the film of Troy Smith at OSU.Because that cannot mean anything either.
    Guys went to play in NFL Europe just so they can get game film of themselves to send to teams.

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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheExtraPoint View Post
    If Troy Smith isn't confident or mentally tough enough to survive the typical rookie struggles that plague almost every quarterback entering the league, in three season-ending games that affect nothing more than the losing record of a cellar-dwelling, underachieving football team, then he will never amount to anything as an NFL quarterback. I'll promise you that.

    Contrary to common belief, Boller DID survive them... He just couldn't overcome his physical and mental football deficiencies to ascend beyond the ranks of below-average NFL quarterbacks.

    It's a myth. You either have what it takes, or you don't. And there is only one way to find out.
    Boller never had what it takes to be an NFL starter. You can't lose what you never had in the first place.....




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    He's not your normal 5th round pick. About everyone will tell you he fell for two reasons, one, the major one, his height, and two, his performance in the title game.

    The season is over. You are absolutely right, the time is to evaluate, which is the exact reason that Smith should be starting. Everyone knows what Boller is, starting him three more games will change nothing moving forward.
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  9. #24

    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    Because it's the tail end of a lost season, and I'm ready for something different.

    Remember you're talking to a fan and not a coach or player here, so my answer is precisely what highwater predicted, and I make no apology for it.

    I am not going to make any arguments about 'having to see what he can do', or 'Smith>Boller', I just want to see something different after this loooong season. Don't like it? Don't agree. It's fine with me.
    Hey Festivus, we finally agree on something. I blame Billick's stubbornness for not playing Troy along with the fact that Troy isnt Billick's prototype QB. However, I'd love to see what he has so we can plan for the future!




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenFanatic2k6 View Post
    He's not your normal 5th round pick. About everyone will tell you he fell for two reasons, one, the major one, his height, and two, his performance in the title game.

    The season is over. You are absolutely right, the time is to evaluate, which is the exact reason that Smith should be starting. Everyone knows what Boller is, starting him three more games will change nothing moving forward.
    I don't necessarily think Smith should start, but he should know ahead of time that he's going to start the second half. Boller would know this too, so it would be to his advantage if he comes out and plays a good first half of the remaining games.

    Its about the unknown with Smith, whether he has the tools or not. I think that letting him start the second half off all the remaining games will let everyone know, including the front office, what he's got to offer.....




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    I don't necessarily think Smith should start, but he should know ahead of time that he's going to start the second half. Boller would know this too, so it would be to his advantage if he comes out and plays a good first half of the remaining games.

    Its about the unknown with Smith, whether he has the tools or not. I think that letting him start the second half off all the remaining games will let everyone know, including the front office, what he's got to offer.....
    It's like playing golf.... do you want to play at Augusta if you only know how to hit a sand wedge? Or do you want to wait a year, learn how to use all of your clubs, and then play there?




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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Personally, I'd play Augusta if I could only carry my clubs just for the sheer joy of being there!
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    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by RavensNTerps View Post
    It's like playing golf.... do you want to play at Augusta if you only know how to hit a sand wedge? Or do you want to wait a year, learn how to use all of your clubs, and then play there?
    Thats like saying Smith can only do a shovel pass and it doesn't make any sense in this argument. I see what you are trying to say, but I think you're missing the point......since you're into golf, I'll put it to you like this: I'd like to know whether Troy Smith is a Tiger Woods, Sergio Garcia, Ernie Els, or a Briny Baird. If you check HERE, you'll see what I'm getting at.....that we know he can play football, but how well at the professional level?!?....

    FYI, I'd play Augusta or Pebble Beach or Congressional or any one of those top courses, and I stink at Golf. But I wouldn't know how I'd do unless I actually played the course......




  14. #29

    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    To the people who are comparing starting Troy Smith on Sunday to rushing Boller and starting him as a rookie.....GIVE ME A BREAK.

    The situations are so far from similar that even bringing that up is ridiculous.

    First of all. Kyle Boller held out of camp in 2003.

    This team was primed to make what some people said a Super Bowl run and Boller was thrown in as a rookie to be the QB for the team. That pressure is exponentially higher than starting Troy Smith when we're 4-9 almost through a ruined season.

    How can it be that you would think that this compares to what Boller went through as a rookie?

    I don't care either way if Troy Smith or Kyle Boller plays on Sunday. It's a non issue anyway. Boller is starting.

    But to say that starting Smith would somehow equate to scarring him like we did Boller is ludicrous.

    Starting as a rookie on a team that has Super Bowl aspirations and starting game 14 as a rookie on 4-9 team is so different in every facet that Im still shaking my head that it was even brought up.

    PP

    PP, nobody is comparing Smith we're Boller. We're comparing him to EVERY FREAKING GOOD QB IN THE GAME NOT NAMED PEYTON MANNING.


    How you can't see how Tom Brady, Tony Romo, shit even Derek Anderson benefitted from not playing in their 1st year or two is ludacris. Shit even our very own Johnny Unitas had to get cut after being drafted late in the draft, season himself up with a minor league Pittsburg team, and then get in with the Colts to get it together.


    IMHO, if you want Troy Smith to be the guy, and you're not a retard, and you see how other successful QBs have developed, ESPECIALLY late round and undrafted talent, then you don't need to rush him this year.


    But of course, lets just scream LALALA and ignore the fact that other than one other top QB, most other QBs sit their first year.


    But honestly, everyone has an agenda, and if your agenda is to see Troy Smith for your own personal enjoyment, then obviously you can ignore the very large data set that says young QBs need to sit.


    When I think of the young QBs recently that have been busts, including Boller, they all have one thing in common: they all start their 1st years and never recover.




  15. #30

    Re: Why do people want to start Troy Smith?

    Its about the unknown with Smith, whether he has the tools or not. I think that letting him start the second half off all the remaining games will let everyone know, including the front office, what he's got to offer.....

    What tools? Such generalities bother me.


    You can teach a lot to a QB. Look at a Tony Romo or a Tom Brady. Guys who teams passes over who took some time to hold a Clipboard and learn. And then suddenly, they're good.


    Why is that?


    I would guess that Bellicheck's coaching and efforts of a dedicated Cowboys coaching staff including Parcells, Sean Payton, etc helped a lot.


    What also helps is worrying about learning rather than worrying about being in the spotlight, dealing with the media, worrying about W's and L's rather than your mechanics, your reads, etc.


    I think its honestly better for a QB to sit and learn "the tools". I dont think you're going to know if Troy Smith has "the tools" unless you give him a fair chance to learn them.




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