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    Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."



    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/f...l_tab01_layout

    The man is delusional. Unless he has discussed this personally with Bisciotti, there's no way he can know for sure if he'll be fired. Unless he takes another public dress down like he did at the end of season presser in 2005.

    I guess he's sticking with Boller because he "gives us the best chance to win". What are you playing for now Brian? Other than your own ego, we're out of playoff contention, so all that's left is pride, draft position and evaluating young players. We need to see what Smith can do in real game situations (and not just garbage time against third stringers) to see if we need to draft a QB or if our QB of the future is already on the roster.




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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    I agree Kyle gives us the best chance to win but who the hell cares about winning at this point?!!

    We have to move forward to next year. Play Troy, see what kind of QB he is at this stage. God! It's like he loves not having stability at QB, going all the way back to what he did to Dilfer!
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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    If Billick is going to definitely be back how does he not look at the bigger picture. The season is lost, so lets see if Troy Smith can help us next year

    BTW 84% of fans on that Sun poll think we should start Troy Smith. That is a consensus. If we have to watch this shit at least start the young QB and give us something to look forward to.




    Start TROY!!!!




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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWave52 View Post
    BTW 84% of fans on that Sun poll think we should start Troy Smith. That is a consensus. If we have to watch this shit at least start the young QB and give us something to look forward to.
    I think 80% + wanted Kyle to start over Steve in a similar poll, so I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Backup QB is always the most popular guy in town.

    As tempting as it is to put in Troy, I think we'd potentially RETARD his progress by essentially getting him killed. I agree to stick with Boller as starter and give Troy another off season/pre-season to get his feet wet.




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    Wink Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Gotta disagree with Green Wave & Losac......

    Is Boller the starter next season? Coming off a 3 pick game, albeit behind by four scores, sure throws a monkey wrench into that decision. Let's see how he does on the road, and against one of the better teams at home where we hopefully would not have given the game away in the first few minutes.

    Settling in on the starting QB has a rippling effect on the entire offseason activity. With the many needs that this team has, being able to invest high picks into positions that are worse off than the QB position is arguably the best way to rebuild. Especialy in a year when there no prospective Peyton Mannings or Carson Palmers to be had.

    What do we gain by watching Smith in true game action - not mop-up against scrubs? Some evidence as whether he should be elevated to #2, dropped to #3 or PS, or cut. That is a relatively insignificant decision.
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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Gotta disagree with Green Wave & Losac......

    Is Boller the starter next season? Coming off a 3 pick game, albeit behind by four scores, sure throws a monkey wrench into that decision. Let's see how he does on the road, and against one of the better teams at home where we hopefully would not have given the game away in the first few minutes.

    Settling in on the starting QB has a rippling effect on the entire offseason activity. With the many needs that this team has, being able to invest high picks into positions that are worse off than the QB position is arguably the best way to rebuild. Especialy in a year when there no prospective Peyton Mannings or Carson Palmers to be had.

    What do we gain by watching Smith in true game action - not mop-up against scrubs? Some evidence as whether he should be elevated to #2, dropped to #3 or PS, or cut. That is a relatively insignificant decision.
    How much longer are you gonna hold on to this?

    How much more do you need to see?

    We aren't worse of at any position than we are at the most important position on the field, QB.

    PP




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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    How much longer are you gonna hold on to this?

    How much more do you need to see?

    We aren't worse of at any position than we are at the most important position on the field, QB.

    PP
    I have to agree with you here PP. I don't know how anyone can hold out hope that Boller is finally going to get it. He's been given chance after chance for 5 years. It obvious that he will never be an NFL QB. It's time for the Ravens to admit they made a mistake and move on.




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    Wink Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    How much longer are you gonna hold on to this?

    How much more do you need to see?
    Hold onto what? Coaches play the best player you've got at each position ... is there anything revolutionary about that idea? Like it or not, Boller is our best QB at the moment. Maybe we'll pick up a FA next season who will be more talented to beat him out -- if so, great. (I don't think there's anyone in the draft to do so). I want to see the best players at each position wearing purple.

    I don't think that Smith is big enough or talented enough to start in the NFL. So I don't buy into the hoopla about starting him. (And I did see him up close in the last minute of the game last night, lined up with scrubs and playing against scrubs who just wanted the game to end with no injuries.)

    As to how much more to see ... I don't place a lot of weight on a game where 3 picks were thrown when down by four or more scores. I saw a pretty good game at QB the week before despite major protection issues. I'd be a lot more concerned if we are in the game next week and Boller blows it with interceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    We aren't worse of at any position than we are at the most important position on the field, QB.
    That's why we have message board debates, Poe. You apparently think that QB is the position that needs most upgrade. I disagree. Our QB play is about average. I believe that our team is a lot worse off at the DE and CB positions. If we don't see major upgrades next season, we could be in for another losing season.

    And other considerations against picking up a high round QB: Pretty bad off on the OL; I can't tell you who is suckier right now, but, as a unit, the OL is pretty bad. And LB may not be too far behind if Ray loses another step and if Suggs doesn't rebound. We have no burner WR, our punter looks worse each week, and the TEs look average at best.

    If Ryan, Ainge, Flacco etc. were to fall far enough, I would be happy to see one of them picked and challenge Smith for the #2 QB position (I doubt that anyone in the draft is ready to start as a rookie). Just not picked ahead of the team's more pressing needs.
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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    As to how much more to see ... I don't place a lot of weight on a game where 3 picks were thrown when down by four or more scores. I saw a pretty good game at QB the week before despite major protection issues. I'd be a lot more concerned if we are in the game next week and Boller blows it with interceptions.
    First of all, we were down 14-0 with over 9 minutes left in the 1st quarter when Boller threw that absolutely horrendous pick. He stared down Mason and everyone in that stadium knew it. It was not garbage time and we were not down by four or more scores. Seriously, defending the guy is one thing. But let's not rewrite history here.

    And really, if you're not concerned by that game last night then there truly isn't much point in debating this issue.

    I just pray Ozzie and Co. see what I see.

    And believe me, Im concerned about some of the other things you brought up.

    PP




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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Our QB play is about average.






    Though our QB play is south of average, if you're satisfied with being average at the NFLs most important position you're a loser.




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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Gotta disagree with Green Wave & Losac......

    Is Boller the starter next season? Coming off a 3 pick game, albeit behind by four scores, sure throws a monkey wrench into that decision. Let's see how he does on the road, and against one of the better teams at home where we hopefully would not have given the game away in the first few minutes.

    Settling in on the starting QB has a rippling effect on the entire offseason activity. With the many needs that this team has, being able to invest high picks into positions that are worse off than the QB position is arguably the best way to rebuild. Especialy in a year when there no prospective Peyton Mannings or Carson Palmers to be had.

    What do we gain by watching Smith in true game action - not mop-up against scrubs? Some evidence as whether he should be elevated to #2, dropped to #3 or PS, or cut. That is a relatively insignificant decision.
    What do we gain by watching Boller suck as usual? Do you and Dave get wood watching him or something?

    So, I want you to tell me honestly, how much does Boller have to suck before you realize he isn't the QB of the future? Do we need Pro Bowlers at every offensive position for Boller to succeed? Does he need another 5 years for the game to slow down enough for him?

    Oh yeah, I like how "Boller threw 3 picks, albeit down by 3 scores"...
    So I guess it's okay for the QB to throw picks when down big (or down for that matter), THEN TO HAVE A QB THAT WILL GET US BACK IN THE FUCKING GAME!!!

    Oh yeah, T, I am wondering, where is one of your legendary QB threads, bashing horrible QB performance from the last game? Can you say BIASED???
    Season over, guess I'll have to start drinking beer again...




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    Re: Billick: "Suck it fans. I'll be back next year, and Kyle is starting next week."

    Quote Originally Posted by copenhaggard View Post
    What do we gain by watching Boller suck as usual? Do you and Dave get wood watching him or something?

    So, I want you to tell me honestly, how much does Boller have to suck before you realize he isn't the QB of the future? Do we need Pro Bowlers at every offensive position for Boller to succeed? Does he need another 5 years for the game to slow down enough for him?

    Oh yeah, I like how "Boller threw 3 picks, albeit down by 3 scores"...
    So I guess it's okay for the QB to throw picks when down big (or down for that matter), THEN TO HAVE A QB THAT WILL GET US BACK IN THE FUCKING GAME!!!

    Oh yeah, T, I am wondering, where is one of your legendary QB threads, bashing horrible QB performance from the last game? Can you say BIASED???

    So Crows, did you come back to this forum just to be a jerk? Judging by this post and your joke of a thread in the QB forum, I'm going to say yes. And that is a shame from what I remember of you.

    And if so, I'll be the first to ask you to please head back to YBR because especially at this point in our very rough season it is NOT welcome here I assure you.

    Now, to your post. It's real hard to defend Boller's play Sunday. It was shit, pure and simple. Frustrating to a level I hadn't felt since Denver 2005.

    But let's not for a second pretend Mason and Clayton and Darling were just getting wide open all over the place. BTW, remind me again which one of those is a legitimate #1 receiver? Didn't think so.

    And let's not pretend for a second that Willis McGahee was running all over the Colts DB's like he did against the Pats. Anyone call any sweeps or draws for Willis to run? Could Willis hit any holes with authority?

    That entire team packed it in before the first quarter even fucking ended. Enough for me to leave the stadium and waste $50 on parking and food before the second quarter even started. Pissed isn't the word I can use to tell you how I feel right now. Numb is a good word.

    Boller is done here. No matter what the reason, fair or unfair, he's here out of contract alone. Doesn't matter whether he's just never latched on, or the team never built around him correctly. He's not the answer here.

    But guess what else? No one is the answer here as long as Brian Billick is the offensive coordinator, but it's going to take another 2-3 QB failures for people to finally catch on. As much as I would like to see what Troy Smith has, we won't really know. He'll be forced to run this same offense that has ruined QB after QB. Troy Smith, and whatever draft pick we use, will just be the next casulty in the Billick system.


    And what the Ravens FO better figure out and quick, is that as a PSL owner and season ticket holder, I am NOT one of those that they want to stop caring about this team. That is $1,000 I can easily spend elsewhere.




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