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  1. #46

    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)



    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Ummm, I went back to my response to Pro, and I couldn't see anywhere in which I said anything about Troy Smith. I was specifically responding to the parts about Brian Billick being able to hand-pick his players.

    Something that was still not answered.
    I was just throwing in my 2 cents bro. I was not quoting you or anyone else. Sorry for the confusion. It was simply a random post to break up the monotony.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
    For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone can look over Kyle Boller's body of work and think he's a legit NFL QB. You never know what you're going to get with Kyle. He'll come out one day and be very good, and the next couple of games he flat out sucks. He just can't seem to put it all together. We've all witnessed this for 5 years now. How can anyone honestly think that he'll finally put it all together, and if so when?
    Because the team around him is as inconsistent as he is. So how in the world do you expect ANYONE to be a legit NFL QB here.

    No one really will ever know TT. I'm just as convinced that if we had gotten our day 1 wish and drafted Byron Leftwich (who BTW also turned out not to be the franchise QB Jacksonville thought he was), we'd be having the same conversation, just inserting Byron's name in.

    Hell, we've already substituted Steve McNair's name in this year and end of last year and he is an accomplished QB.

    If Kyle Boller was he only QB in the long line of QB's we've had here since the beginning of time that did nothing, never even having a 9-7 season and being one defensive stop away from the playoffs, then yeah we could pin the plight of the entire team on him. But it hasn't quite been that way now has it?

    Yes, TT, barring some three game miracle where the entire offense somehow gels together by magic and stays that way through next year, the book on Kyle Boller here in Baltimore is pretty much done.

    But I don't think that means someone who actually knows how to run an effective offense wouldn't bring him in, put the right talent alongside him, and he couldn't be a good NFL QB.

    It just isn't going to really happen here. I think that's all agreed.




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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    No doubt Bollers numbers would take a leap forward if he played in a real offense and wasn't stuck in quarterback purgatory but I still don't think he's a legitimate NFL quarterback. Last year McNair proved you don't have to put up great numbers to have success here.

    He managed the game , moved the chains when he had to and limited his mistakes. Kyle Boller isn't capable of that over the course of a full season.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Boller is starting in Miami, that is fact. The real question everyone has is whether or not Smith sees any duty? If Miami is in this game at the end of the 3rd quarter because of how Boller has played (or should I say lack of his play), what do you think Billick will do? Pass more? Run more? Insert Smith?

    I'm hoping Boller throws the pick in the Miami redzone on 3rd and 1 with 0:45 left in the 4th quarter (and 2 timeouts) and its run back by a Miami defender to win the game 21-7!! Think about the awesomeness of that trifecta! It would be the season in a microcosm, right in front of your eyes!!!! Oh, and Bisciotti would come down and fire Billick on the spot.......

    FYI: that last sentence was a joke.......but could you imagine the fallout if that really happened?




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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    Oh, and Bisciotti would come down and fire Billick on the spot.......
    .... and after BB was fired, he would hit him over the head with a tack hammer, pull out his hog, piss all over him, screaming "How you like that, bitch" ....

    Oh wait, that was my dream last night.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    .... and after BB was fired, he would hit him over the head with a tack hammer, pull out his hog, piss all over him, screaming "How you like that, bitch" ....

    Oh wait, that was my dream last night.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Those damn Jack in the Box egg rolls do it everytime!
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I'm not the one crying dude. You came here all whiny and pissy over "other people saying the opposite of McNair". YOU came here with the attitude in tow. You are STILL doing it. Other than that, what is your reason for waiting all season long to show up here?

    Sorry if I don't subscribe to your little tirades about other posters here.




    Oh, so now Boller isn't part of the team? Gotcha.




    I completely realize that. And I get your point completely. You hate Boller, you came here to pile it on and call out other posters. Check.




    Except Boller has won plenty of prime time games. But whatever. Seems like McNair......all-world QB he was before he came to the town where QB's come to fail..... couldn't lead this team to a championship either. Neither could a 4,000 yard passer coming off a pro-bowl, and anyone inbetween.

    But that is all on Boller, right?




    90%? You're going with 90%? Wow. Alrighty then.

    PS. I don't give a shit anymore what some people believe, or think. You came late to the party, by about 13 games. The fact that I maintain the system works more against the QB than the QB does the system, and have maintained that for 9 years, escapes you because you haven't been here to be part of conversations. You only came here to antagonize and start trouble right off the bat. And I don't really care if you "can't believe" anything.

    You let me know which AFC Championship game or Super Bowl appearance I must have slept through since 2000. Because until you can come up with one, I'll maintain my offensive system theory, and people like you can continue to blame 10-11-12-13 quarterbacks. By all means.

    Who are you now? Master of assumptions?

    Show me where:
    - I don't think Boller is part of the team. I specifically said "the team"
    - I hate Boller
    - I blame everything on Boller

    I've known the system sucks, and the personnel in certain areas is lacking. But guess what, I don't use those as a crutch for bad plays. I've known all about the personnel issues for awhile. Long before a lot of people here have. It's just that blaming Boller pre-2006, and McNair 2007 were the things to do. I don't blame Boller for everything, but I am not going to sugarcoat his career, and talk him up like he's an all-pro or even LEGIT/GOOD QB being hindered by our system.

    I don't hate Boller, I think he sucks. I think McNair sucks. Am I being biased or something?

    Oh, when you said Boller won "plenty" of primetime games, do mean 2? But whatever...

    I don't have to post here to read everything. In fact, I have posted here maybe once a week. I've talked to posters from this board about the problems. I didn't show up late, I just showed up at the best time, when the excuses started flying like snow. I'll be damned if I don't make an attempt to plow some of the crap I read here up.

    Go ahead though Stinger, find me a spot where I am specifically blaming Boller for our troubles.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    I still have trouble putting "Jack in the Box" and "Eggrolls" in the same sentence.

    Erf.




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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I still have trouble putting "Jack in the Box" and "Eggrolls" in the same sentence.

    Erf.
    Dont hate. Those things are like crack.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by copenhaggard View Post
    Who are you now? Master of assumptions?

    Show me where:
    - I don't think Boller is part of the team. I specifically said "the team"
    - I hate Boller
    - I blame everything on Boller
    That's easy, head up this thread. Then click on the very first thing you posted upon your return to this forum. And then everything inbetween.


    I've known the system sucks, and the personnel in certain areas is lacking. But guess what, I don't use those as a crutch for bad plays. I've known all about the personnel issues for awhile. Long before a lot of people here have. It's just that blaming Boller pre-2006, and McNair 2007 were the things to do. I don't blame Boller for everything, but I am not going to sugarcoat his career, and talk him up like he's an all-pro or even LEGIT/GOOD QB being hindered by our system.
    Then we disagree in spots, agree in spots. I'm not sugarcoating his career either, and I never said he was an all-pro. Though I have little doubt in a real NFL offensive system he would be a more successful QB. And that is simply based on the fact that it's hard to judge consistancy solely on a single point in an inconsistent system.

    I don't hate Boller, I think he sucks. I think McNair sucks. Am I being biased or something?
    I can't go with you on McNair. McNair was highly accomplished before he got here. Which is why I put so much more on the system than you do. McNair didn't just wake up one day and forget how to throw or scramble. Billick and our offensive line issues have done that for him.


    Oh, when you said Boller won "plenty" of primetime games, do mean 2? But whatever...
    I'm sure it's more than 2. When I decide I care more about it I may look it up. But as you say....whatever.




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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    I think Troy Smith deserves a shot, but its next year. And next year shouldn't be the there to draft in the 1st round one of many over-rated QB who will be presured to start


    I posted it in the other thread, but gotta drop it here to. Here is, in my opinion, pretty good proof that its worth it to sit young QBs, including Troy Smith. And obviously, it would have been better for Troy to sit


    Good quaterbacks / starters who sat at their 1st year: Brady, Romo, Anderson, Palmer, Cutler (majorify of his 1st year), Rivers, Russell is sitting, Clemens, Garrard, Schaub, Hasselbeck, Warner, Delhomme, Kitna, Jackson, Eli Manning, Marc Bulger, Jeff Garcia, J. Cambell


    Good QBs who started quickly: Peyton Manning, Rothlesberger (tried to sit him, we knocked out Maddox), Favre, Brees, McNabb


    Possible Bust / Bust Qbs who all started their 1st year: Leftwich, Grossman, Boller, Harrington, Losman, Carr, Lineart, Alex Smith


    Guys who got the start their 1st year and look possible worse for wear:
    V. Young, Jon Beck?


    Overall, I think the value of sitting and coaching up a young QB has been overlooked for this team. The closest we came to doing that was Redman, and he was actually having a decent year in 2002 before the dummy hurt himself huntin' during the bye week. Maybe if he hadn't done that we wouldn't even be having this conversation . . .




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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    off the top of my head-- There was one prime time (monday nighter against the rams) game where boller blew out his knee, and another where he blew out his big toe against the Colts. Oh and he had a nice game up until he threw that god damn interception against the pats. GB and min was was solid but it was garbage time games for us.
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    That's easy, head up this thread. Then click on the very first thing you posted upon your return to this forum. And then everything inbetween.



    I can't go with you on McNair. McNair was highly accomplished before he got here. Which is why I put so much more on the system than you do. McNair didn't just wake up one day and forget how to throw or scramble. Billick and our offensive line issues have done that for him.



    I'm sure it's more than 2. When I decide I care more about it I may look it up. But as you say....whatever.
    A.) I looked through the threads, didn't see anything where I said I hated Boller, thought he wasn't part of the team, or blamed him for all the team's failures. And the thread I made on the QB forum was just wondering what excuses Boller was going to get for this game/season. Next...

    I just continually stated that after 5 years, he sucks. I've mentioned plenty of other reasons why our offense is bad. Does it make you angry that I think our 5 year QB experiment is a joke?

    B.)McNair was highly accomplished, but at the twilight of his career. He's been beat up a lot. He 'sucks' now, but he was once a good QB. In fact, up until 3 months ago, I thought he was an average, capable QB. He aged it seemed like 10 years this past offseason.

    C.) No Stinger, I am sure it's 2. I checked, because I didn't remember any big prime time wins from Boller besides 2005. Boller hasn't won "plenty" of primetime games.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    The closest we came to doing that was Redman, and he was actually having a decent year in 2002 before the dummy hurt himself huntin' during the bye week. Maybe if he hadn't done that we wouldn't even be having this conversation . . .
    Why would you want a QB on your team that doesn't even know how to get in/out of a treestand? That's basic man knowledge there...
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    Re: Pro's Take: Y'all Must-A-4-Got! 'X-Factor' Troy Smith MUST GET A SHOT! (The Anderson Effect)

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    I think Troy Smith deserves a shot, but its next year. And next year shouldn't be the there to draft in the 1st round one of many over-rated QB who will be presured to start


    I posted it in the other thread, but gotta drop it here to. Here is, in my opinion, pretty good proof that its worth it to sit young QBs, including Troy Smith. And obviously, it would have been better for Troy to sit


    Good quaterbacks / starters who sat at their 1st year: Brady, Romo, Anderson, Palmer, Cutler (majorify of his 1st year), Rivers, Russell is sitting, Clemens, Garrard, Schaub, Hasselbeck, Warner, Delhomme, Kitna, Jackson, Eli Manning, Marc Bulger, Jeff Garcia, J. Cambell


    Good QBs who started quickly: Peyton Manning, Rothlesberger (tried to sit him, we knocked out Maddox), Favre, Brees, McNabb


    Possible Bust / Bust Qbs who all started their 1st year: Leftwich, Grossman, Boller, Harrington, Losman, Carr, Lineart, Alex Smith


    Guys who got the start their 1st year and look possible worse for wear:
    V. Young, Jon Beck?


    Overall, I think the value of sitting and coaching up a young QB has been overlooked for this team. The closest we came to doing that was Redman, and he was actually having a decent year in 2002 before the dummy hurt himself huntin' during the bye week. Maybe if he hadn't done that we wouldn't even be having this conversation . . .
    Where I would disagree with this statement is in order to "coach up" a player, whatever that means, you must first have a coaching staff capable of "coaching up" a player and it doesn't appear to me we have that coaching staff. I think if Smith sits on the bench for five years he will come into his first game at basically the same place he is right now.
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