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    Yeah What QB debate is there? McNair is the worst, Kyle is inconsistent and TS played well in four snaps of action against 3rd stringers. The QB this team is seeking is likely studying for finals right now. That discussion gets a bit heated, but it's a bit early to talk abotu the draft anyways. Might as well wait at least until after both seasons are done.




  2. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    This forum is eerily quiet these days isn't it?

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    Not too much to say. Everyone knows where this team stands as far as QB's go. McNair stinks, everyone calmmored for Boller, he did well, and then blew it a week later, and that leaves option 3. Are we gonna see Troy get a start? Unlikely. So no controversey per se, just wishful thinking at this point.
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    Re: Troy Smith

    Pitty Troy won't start against the Phins. Billick is trying to ensure a win on Sunday. He knows if he doesn't win that game then he's out. So going with the "gives us the best chance to win" he's starting Boller. Instead of moving forward to next year and evaluating what we have at QB he's trying to protect his job.




  4. #34

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    I disagree with all of you. The Boller hatred is incomprehensible, really. The best way to properly judge a qb is relative to the other person who played qb that year with that team.Almost everyone (media and fans) have come to the conclusion that Boller won't be even an average starting qb after last game. The fact that Steve McNair looked so bad when he played this year in a non factor? Did he suddenly go from being the "great" Steve to being the "horrible" Steve in one game? The answer is that he was not so great last year and was not so bad this year, he declined a little bit (what you wound expect from one year to the next with a 33 year old) but he was playing with a much worse line, and the last 2 games did not have Todd Heap and Demetrius Williams. So comes along Boller and looks better that McNair (much better if we want to be honest), but is deemed inconsistent to the extent that he is toast. So I ask do we throw Troy Smith in the same fire? I have no opinion at all on him, but I do know that he would have to be great to look ok and its not worth it. Its still worth looking at Boller hoping there will we better protection, and seeing if its ok going into next year with him.




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    Re: Troy Smith

    The Boller hatred is incomprehensible
    Why when some people speak the truth,should it be deemed hatred?

    This Troy movement is just for us to see what #10 has got to give this team.
    He has been learning the playbook all season.He has a winless team up next.
    A great way of breaking the kid in early.

    What new things are you going to learn about Boller playing the Dolphins a winless team?

    We don't hate Kyle Boller,we just know what we have in Kyle Boller.And with three games remaining what more is there to see?
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  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenbird View Post
    So I ask do we throw Troy Smith in the same fire? I have no opinion at all on him, but I do know that he would have to be great to look ok and its not worth it. Its still worth looking at Boller hoping there will we better protection, and seeing if its ok going into next year with him.
    Well, you make some good points. The short answer to your question is, yes, we throw him in the fire. For the slightly-less-short answer, please see the quote in my sig, below. After five years even (most of) the most enthusiastic supporters of Boller would probably agree with me Boller is not the Quarterback of the Future.

    In the real world, the players care about wins, and so does Billick, even in a lost season. So you will get your wish, that Boller will start. But again, I don't think he's the quarterback of the future, he is but a capable backup. And I would guess even the FO sees that, though obviously nobody from the FO/coaching staff would say so.

    Why do I want to see Troy Smith play? Because unlike the players, coaches and front office people, I just want to see him play. As priority #1, over beating the Dolphins. I love my Ravens and will watch them even if they are forced to field, as signal-caller, PeeWee Herman or Steve from Blue's Clues at QB (Actually, I'd pay extra). So I will watch Boller if he's out there. But I would *love* to see Option #3, especially after his four down masterpiece Monday night.

    Also, and again welcome to the board, please try to use paragraph breaks where appropriate. Folks around here can get testy if you repeatedly hit them with a wall of text.
    Last edited by festivus; 12-12-2007 at 02:40 PM.
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    Re: Troy Smith

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenTD View Post
    Why when some people speak the truth,should it be deemed hatred?

    This Troy movement is just for us to see what #10 has got to give this team.
    He has been learning the playbook all season.He has a winless team up next.
    A great way of breaking the kid in early.

    What new things are you going to learn about Boller playing the Dolphins a winless team?

    We don't hate Kyle Boller,we just know what we have in Kyle Boller.And with three games remaining what more is there to see?
    Couldn't have said it any better......




  8. #38

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    Billick is the coach, he gets the call here. If Boller stinks it up big time in the first half, Smith needs to come in and after his performance I think it's worth taking a look.

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  9. #39

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    Ya, agreed. If the game is out of whack - either way - count on Smith coming in.
    Festivus

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  10. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenbird View Post
    I disagree with all of you. The Boller hatred is incomprehensible, really. The best way to properly judge a qb is relative to the other person who played qb that year with that team.Almost everyone (media and fans) have come to the conclusion that Boller won't be even an average starting qb after last game. The fact that Steve McNair looked so bad when he played this year in a non factor? Did he suddenly go from being the "great" Steve to being the "horrible" Steve in one game? The answer is that he was not so great last year and was not so bad this year, he declined a little bit (what you wound expect from one year to the next with a 33 year old) but he was playing with a much worse line, and the last 2 games did not have Todd Heap and Demetrius Williams. So comes along Boller and looks better that McNair (much better if we want to be honest), but is deemed inconsistent to the extent that he is toast. So I ask do we throw Troy Smith in the same fire? I have no opinion at all on him, but I do know that he would have to be great to look ok and its not worth it. Its still worth looking at Boller hoping there will we better protection, and seeing if its ok going into next year with him.
    Welcome to the boards Mr. Boller!

    For the record, if you read any of my posts, i never say I hate Boller. Quite the opposite actually.
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  11. #41

    Re: Troy Smith

    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave View Post
    Welcome to the boards Mr. Boller!

    For the record, if you read any of my posts, i never say I hate Boller. Quite the opposite actually.
    Which would lead to the next question- how can one game make you change your opinion. The point is that most level headed people would agree that the odds are strong that Boller would a better option than Smith for next year. There is a small chance that Smith is the next Tom Brady (or at least a good caliber starting qb), but that is not likely and most likely not so soon in his pro career.

    Therefore, it would follow - being that there will probably not be a star qb in the free agent market, and the team does not have that much cap room, and it is not wise to start a rookie qb ever - that Kyle Boller still is the best option going into next season. Therefore it would be wise to give him the next three games and see if we can get a better picture (and if he does play badly then you would have to look elsewhere) . I know he has "Had his chances
    so many times", "you know what you are going to get with him" but if you take a step back for a second you may realize that he really was not given so much of a chance since he was benched last season.

    If he is in fact a good qb, what would we have expected from him while he plays behind a horrific o-line, with 2 of his top 4 receivers out? The fact is that before the end of 2005, he was labeled as bad, not inconsistent. I would argue that he is not unnecessarily the one who is inconsistent, its the whole team - the line specifically.

    I also attribute the play calling to his lack of successes at times. John Madden despite his thinking nothing of Boller pointed out that he has no chance because they were running on first and second down, and if they were not successful, he would be stuck in a third and long with no protection. This is exactly what happened in the first half against Cleveland and Buffalo,as well as many of the times that he was deemed bad this year. I felt all along that they need to pass first, have some successful passes, and that will prevent them from loading up on the run and open up the game. That is what happened in the second half in Cleveland and the NE game(when he completed that long pass, from then and on the run was much more successfully because they had to worry about the pass as well) .

    I know I am on an island when it comes to this, but I think that it has alot to do with pre-conceived notions.
    Last edited by Ravenbird; 12-12-2007 at 09:28 PM.




  12. #42

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    I don't think the real idea is to totally yank Boller...it's about getting Smith some playing time to see what is there.

    When it's all said and done, it's Billick's call this year at the very least (maybe more years if he stays around).

    Smith showed something in "garbage time" against Indy. Many of us would like to see him get a chance to show what he can do during this season. The improvement from pre-season to the Colts game impressed me.

    At minimum, if Boller is playing like he did last week after the first half or just the whole game in general, it would be nice to see what Smith can do.

    I understand your defenses of Boller and the reasons mentioned. But there are a few things worth taking a peak at....the New England game is the best Boller EVER did at improvisation on the run. Smith pops in against Indy, the pocket breaks down and he's already doing the same as, or better than, Boller in those break down situations.

    Free Agent QB: Yes, there is nothing there at this point and I also agree that signing McNabb is a mistake waiting to happen, at least for this team.

    Anyhow, this isn't Boller hatred or anything to do with that...it's about giving Troy Smith a chance to prove himself, to be able to show why he might be the answer (or not even). As for level heads, I don't think anyone has any idea of what Smith might do in this league. Boller certainly has the edge in experience and familiarity with the offensive scheme, players, and coaches, but time will tell.

    Caveat: I CERTAINLY don't want to throw some 1st rounder into the fire at the beginning of next year. Maybe week 12 if there is development, maybe wait until the next season. Some guys play well right off, but I think sitting would be the right move here. Of course I may be wrong, lots of time between now and the draft!
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  13. #43

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    Which would lead to the next question- how can one game make you change your opinion. The point is that most level headed people would agree that the odds are strong that Boller would a better option than Smith for next year.
    Dude pass that shit over here. I'm looking to get zooted too. =)

    I disagree with all of you. The Boller hatred is incomprehensible, really.
    Nobody is hating on Boller, we just love troy and want him to win some games for us...thats all.

    Keep in mind some poor chap is sitting on a roof hoping that the ravens win a game so that he can go home.
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  14. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    Dude pass that shit over here. I'm looking to get zooted too. =)
    Are you telling me that you would bet on smith preforming better then boller right now? If yes then tell me what you are drinking? I am not saying that it is not possible, just that it is less than likely and at this point not worth trying .




  15. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenbird View Post
    Are you telling me that you would bet on smith preforming better then boller right now? If yes then tell me what you are drinking? I am not saying that it is not possible, just that it is less than likely and at this point not worth trying .
    You're totally missing the entire point. No one is going on and on about how "Troy Smith must be the Ravens QB now and Boller must die in a horrible car accident induced by mediocre offensive line play."

    Personally, I am advocating that Smith get meaningful playing time this season. The Dolphins game seems like an ideal time to do so! My first post I think is a bit overreacting (starting...), but then again that happened to be the day after the loss to the Colts. Forgive me.

    Let Smith get his feet wet this season in live action that is not "garbage time." That is the one thing all SPOTS bandwagoners wish to see!

    Oh, if Boller plays as poorly the first half of the Miami game as he did against the Colts...can it really be THAT outrageous to let Smith play the second half?
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