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  1. #31

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm



    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    MOst of the non-QB drafters are the ELITE of the Boller fanclub. I was on the hugger side of the wars for YEARS and I am one of the very loudest in pimping Ryan... I really don't understand in ANY manner how ANYONE can look at any position as beign a hihger need then QB. I really don't get it. I've had people attempt to explain it and I still don't get it.

    Just to clarify again, I am now officially not against drafting a QB.


    What I do think is that we need to learn how to control the point of attack. Flynn is average AT BEST. Chester is a waste of a pick, depth at best.


    For drafting needs, if Troy Smith shows anything and we've got Boller for "experience", we have glaring needs at CB, DE, C, and possibly even TE (depth there was exposed)


    I hope Troy gets some time this year and that next year we can use a Smith/Boller combo and use draft picks and FA to shore up our larger holes.


    I do agree that Boller isn't going to work out here as a starter, but I believe thats true for a VARIETY of reasons, not just something in his head.




  2. #32

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    MOst of the non-QB drafters are the ELITE of the Boller fanclub. I was on the hugger side of the wars for YEARS and I am one of the very loudest in pimping Ryan... I really don't understand in ANY manner how ANYONE can look at any position as beign a hihger need then QB. I really don't get it. I've had people attempt to explain it and I still don't get it.

    That's bullshit Jon. And Crows apparently has just come over here to start shit and egg people on, which is about to land him on my ignore list.

    Not drafting a QB in the first round has nothing to do with anything other than seeing equal to more glaring needs on the team. That's the bottom line.

    I can't understand after watching our backup CB's play Sunday night and knowing that McAlister and Rolle are getting older and may never be effective like they were, or play a whole season every again, people think that this isn't a pressing need above QB, or some other team is just going to let their playmaker CB's leave in free agency to go to another team. Not going to happen.

    I also can't understand how people don't understand the need for a playmaker Wide Receiver. Let's draft a QB and give him the same receivers who can't get seperation or go downfield. Sure, that's the way to build a QB's confidence and abilities on the field. It's worked for us for the last 9 years, hasn't it?


    I'm starting to tire of the attempts to "stereotype" those who don't think we just need to draft a QB and damn everything else.




  3. #33

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    That's bullshit Jon. And Crows apparently has just come over here to start shit and egg people on, which is about to land him on my ignore list.



    I can't understand after watching our backup CB's play Sunday night and knowing that McAlister and Rolle are getting older and may never be effective like they were, or play a whole season every again, people think that this isn't a pressing need above QB, or some other team is just going to let their playmaker CB's leave in free agency to go to another team. Not going to happen.

    I also can't understand how people don't understand the need for a playmaker Wide Receiver. Let's draft a QB and give him the same receivers who can't get seperation or go downfield. Sure, that's the way to build a QB's confidence and abilities on the field. It's worked for us for the last 9 years, hasn't it?

    Stinger you missed the point.

    I just found it funny that after all of McNair's terrible performances this year and last, he got absolutely SHIT on, by a group of posters here.

    But when Boller plays terrible, it doesn't happen.

    I hate to see any of our players get shit on, but the certain bias here towards Boller is frankly disgusting.

    Anyway, it's chicken and egg w/ a big play receiver. You need a great QB, not matter what. It's becoming more painfully obvious watching the NFL the past few seasons. I'd believe in getting a #1 receiver, if we had a QB that would take advantage of him, but I don't see Boller doing it.

    Yes, there are needs with DE, CB, etc, but the QB is the most important. I am a defensive guy, but a franchise QB is needed. Look at a team like the Colts. They've had porous defense for most of Manning's tenure, but have been an 11, 12 win team for the past 6 years I believe.

    Good defenses can be beaten, as we've seen. Good QBs can have shit games, as we've also seen. But in today's NFL, there is more of a chance of beating a good defense unfortunately.
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  4. #34

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    "Stinger you missed the point.

    I just found it funny that after all of McNair's terrible performances this year and last, he got absolutely SHIT on, by a group of posters here.

    But when Boller plays terrible, it doesn't happen.

    I hate to see any of our players get shit on, but the certain bias here towards Boller is frankly disgusting."


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    CopenHaggard, I couldn't have said it better myself. McNair was a very quiet, humble guy. I couldn't believe the way some fans reacted to him while, when Boller did the same thing, give a free pass after 5 years of showing nothing.

    Actually the players outwardly expressed their desire for McNair not to step down, the fans seem to be the only ones pressing for Boller.

    It seems like the fans can't read between the lines after five years - THE PLAYERS DON'T LIKE BOLLER.

    Remember Denver in 2005? Derrick Mason, the player who came to Boller's aid when he was being booed after being injured, even lit up Boller after the game. And he was the nicest about it compared to what some of the others had to say.

    Even after some tough games this year (behind the same poor blocking which everyone is so quick to point out when Boller screws up), the players expressed their desire for McNair to be their qb.

    Boller was drafted higher than he should've been...and he knows it. Heck everyone knows it...except Brian Billick.

    You've seen the pictures of him around town partying it up (have you seen some of the Preakness pics with him?). He is a well-educated pretty boy who is just happy to have the money he has so he can live the lifestyle he leads and if he loses, well let's just say he doesn't take it to heart as much as the ultra-competitive types like Ray, JO or Ed Reed does. He doesn't care because he cares more about the fact that he can continue partying with models than winning football games.


    Ray, Ed, Terrell all care about money, but losing makes them sick to their stomach. Ray makes a ton of money; he is not satisfied though because of losing.

    I want guys turning over in their sleep when they lose, I want them to want to win that much.




  5. #35

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    That's bullshit Jon. And Crows apparently has just come over here to start shit and egg people on, which is about to land him on my ignore list.

    Not drafting a QB in the first round has nothing to do with anything other than seeing equal to more glaring needs on the team. That's the bottom line.

    I can't understand after watching our backup CB's play Sunday night and knowing that McAlister and Rolle are getting older and may never be effective like they were, or play a whole season every again, people think that this isn't a pressing need above QB, or some other team is just going to let their playmaker CB's leave in free agency to go to another team. Not going to happen.

    I also can't understand how people don't understand the need for a playmaker Wide Receiver. Let's draft a QB and give him the same receivers who can't get seperation or go downfield. Sure, that's the way to build a QB's confidence and abilities on the field. It's worked for us for the last 9 years, hasn't it?


    I'm starting to tire of the attempts to "stereotype" those who don't think we just need to draft a QB and damn everything else.
    First, CBD. I wish you would give Chester more then a single start? Maybe 2 at C to prove that the KNOWN PROJECT of a draftpick was a waste. Maybe that would make sense seeing in how on all levels he has played in MAYBE 30 games as an OLINEMAN.

    Next, Stinger, you are BY FAR the most reasonable and logical on that side of the fence. You put actual thought into what you say and hwo you watch the game. I'm not sayign that we should take Woodson over Chris Long to make SURE we get a 1st round QB, but all things being equal(player talent) I'd rather take a QB. What I mean by that is that I'd personally take either Brohm or Ryan over Calais Campbell or any of the corners. This is primarily due to my perceived need at the QB position, but als oplays into the fact thtat an ELITE CB will be available at the top of 2, and Langford from Hampton should be available late 2 or early 3. MY personal opinion is that the high -end QB's are more spread from the middle guys then defenders are. This is usually the case. Also I think our D is still more hten adequate, at this point, with injuries. so...
    I agree we need a playmaking WR and 3rd down back too. The thing is, these guy sare ready to play day 1. Whats the point of gettign Mario Manningham or steve Slaton when we can't get the ball out of the QB's hands...
    We have one of the WORST set of QB's in the league. We have one of the BEST sets of CB's and DE's in the league. They may have been hurt this year, but they are there. A QB is not. Agree or disagre, it's fun to discuss at the least.




  6. #36

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by purple bird View Post
    Actually the players outwardly expressed their desire for McNair not to step down, the fans seem to be the only ones pressing for Boller.

    It seems like the fans can't read between the lines after five years - THE PLAYERS DON'T LIKE BOLLER.
    Not so fast PB. The players were very supportive of McNair when he was under center, as you say, but they were also very supportive of Boller when it was his turn.

    As far as the Monday night disaster goes, of course they said he'd underperformed, saying anything else would have been absurd. But overall they have been consistently supportive of *each* starting QB when it was his turn to throw the ball.

    Concerning a 'bias' on this forum, I really don't see it. All reasonable viewpoints have their mouthpieces, as far as I can tell.
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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    If Boller played 14 games a season like the one against the Pats, I'd have no problem with him as our QB. But sadly, he doesn't! He plays somewhere in between the Pats and Colts game which is mediocre.

    That being said, we'll never compete or be considered an elite team with Boller under center....and that includes getting rid of Billick.....




  8. Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Fire Billick and the rest will solve itself.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    I would settle for a better than average but consistant performance from Boller to keep him as a starter.

    Consistant play as in at home and away,as in dry,cold,or wet conditions.
    As in him seeing the whole field,hitting receivers in stride,feeling the pressure and acting accordingly.As in putting touch on the ball when needed.

    If he could put that together game in and game out.Then I would be waving his flag of honor.But you never know which Boller is going to turn up, Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde.

    Well at least we don't have to watch the likes of Brock Berlin start in purple.
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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by BertJonesMyHero View Post
    Fire Billick and the rest will solve itself.
    There is probably a lot of truth in this simple statement.....




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by BertJonesMyHero View Post
    Fire Billick and the rest will solve itself.
    I somewhat agree, but the problem with firing Billick and installing a new offensive system is your are basically not going to be a competitive team next year with eveyrone learning a new system.


    With the number of aging vets we have, restarting this whole thing will waste them.


    I believe that Billick gets his final year next year, and that he won't be back baring a DEEP playoff run. And I mean to the AFC championship.


    After he fails to do that, then you let him go, let vets like Ray Lewis go to other teams to pursue other dreams, and REALLY start to rebuild




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    I somewhat agree, but the problem with firing Billick and installing a new offensive system is your are basically not going to be a competitive team next year with eveyrone learning a new system.


    With the number of aging vets we have, restarting this whole thing will waste them.


    I believe that Billick gets his final year next year, and that he won't be back baring a DEEP playoff run. And I mean to the AFC championship.


    After he fails to do that, then you let him go, let vets like Ray Lewis go to other teams to pursue other dreams, and REALLY start to rebuild
    That's a very interesting view.But I see that as just spinning wheels in the mud for another year.Why not get into gear and move forward with a new approach,a new message,a new atmosphere.And start the retuning not rebuilding now!
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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    You've seen the pictures of him around town partying it up (have you seen some of the Preakness pics with him?). He is a well-educated pretty boy who is just happy to have the money he has so he can live the lifestyle he leads and if he loses, well let's just say he doesn't take it to heart as much as the ultra-competitive types like Ray, JO or Ed Reed does. He doesn't care because he cares more about the fact that he can continue partying with models than winning football games.
    What a pile of crapola.

    First off, the Preakness is in May, the football season is when? That's what I thought.

    As for McNair, he is a KNOWN partier, he is very well known to be out every night so please just stuff it. His neighbors have verified this.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    What a pile of crapola.

    First off, the Preakness is in May, the football season is when? That's what I thought.

    As for McNair, he is a KNOWN partier, he is very well known to be out every night so please just stuff it. His neighbors have verified this.
    Before I moved, I saw Boller and (insert hotty here) no less than 4 times in Fed Hill, Fells Point and Canton and he was HAMMERED all four times.

    One of the times was at that martini place in Fed Hill off Cross Street (names escapes me right now). He was asked to leave when Tara Reed was so drunk she fell asleep at a table near the front of the door and threw up once she stood up.

    With all that said, who gives a rats ass if Boller likes to party? What does it have to with anything?
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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    First, CBD. I wish you would give Chester more then a single start? Maybe 2 at C to prove that the KNOWN PROJECT of a draftpick was a waste. Maybe that would make sense seeing in how on all levels he has played in MAYBE 30 games as an OLINEMAN.
    LOL.

    This cannot go unnoticed.

    For someone who has so ardently said that Boller is the guy after 40 starts to just toss Chester to the side at this point in his career is hypocrisy at it's finest.



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