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  1. #16

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm



    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    I think our top 3 receivers (Mason, Clayton, Williams) are very good, although I don't know what happened to Clayton this year - he seems to have disappeared. And Heap is a threat when he can actually get on the field.

    But, after the top 3, there is a huge drop off. Darling has shown flashes but drops more than he catches, and Figurs needs to stick to returning kicks.

    Clayton to his defense has been hurt this year. But he's not a #1 receiver on any team. He can't stretch the defense and hasn't really gotten much seperation from defenders.

    Of course, he's not being sent deep either, so it's not all his fault either.

    Having 3 #2 receivers is ok. But most good teams have a #1 guy that you know you can get a 40-50 TD out of once or twice a game.




  2. #17

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    No no no no, the excuses have to stop. Its time to move foward without him. Why continue on with this. we can bring in any schlub and get the same results.

    Hes a bust. Plain and simple.

    Troy is the way to go for the rest of the season and possibly into next season, depending on what happens with Mcnair and his contract.
    I have to agree ... Boller has had 40 plus starts as a QB. What you see now is what you get. I was hoping he could build off of last weeks performance but figured we'd see BollerBall much sooner than we wanted.


    The season as been a dismal failure, it's time to see what we have to go forward with. Boller isn't capable of bringing this team success. This seems to be a good spot for Shannon's quote.

    I've got a better chance of winning the Kentucky Derby on the back of a donkey than they have of winning the Super Bowl with Kyle Boller.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Boller WILL be our starting QB next year, even if we draft Matt Ryan!! I'm 99% sure of it....unless he gets hurt. The real question is what they're going to do with Smith. Are they going to give him more playing time this year? I'd like to see him against a 1st-string defense. I know he's short, but he has decent mobility and has a strong arm....I guess we'll all find out.

    I'd like to see them get Chris Long or CB Terrell Thomas. These guys would have an immediate impact on our defense, especially Long. When we get constant pressure on the opposing QB, it makes the rest of the D that much better. If we were to get these guys in the first, then I'd have no problem getting Dennis Dixon in the late rounds.....




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    To clarify this thread, i.e. to respond to people like Losac, I am NOT apologizing for Boller's sorry performance last night.


    I am past that. What I am saying is that there is not consistent pass protection. What I saw from Troy Smith is that he made some plays outside the pocket that I liked, but again, protection was 3 seconds at best.


    So I'm not sure if we'll even see a QB do well in this system and with this limited pass protection.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Our big needs are CB, DL, and QB.

    OL, I think it's just going to take time...You've got Jason Brown, who is really starting to gel as our LG. Mike Flynn, it's time to hit some bench buddy...although we need Chester to setup up and be the C we need him to be first. Grubbs, we might want to let him have another year in rotation before starting him, but he's been progessing well. You've got Yanda on the right side, we should keep him there, he's lights out compared to Terry. LT, you've got Terry and Gaither...let them go at it...I think Gaither supplants him next year, if not Opening Day, at midway through the season. Right there, that's a young OL with lots of promise...you're going to get beat now and again, but I can't see any weak spots there, as far as bad players...

    CB, I think Rolle and CMac are just hitting their undependable age. Originally, I saw Rolle as a possible retirement, but it appears like he will come back. That said, I want to see a CB who can push him in training camp. Rolle would be wonderful as a nickel back. So I think we look for CB in round 1, unless there is a monster QB sitting there, loving the Ravens.

    DL, I think we need help at DE...BAD. Suggs is likely gone, unless he manages to lower his expectations. I still love Pryce, but our depth was definitley exposed there. We have no decent backup who can put the pressure on the OL...Scratch that, other than Pryce we have NO DE who can pressure the OL. We at least have a few things helping us, as we're a hybrid 4-3 3-4, so we could look at OLBs and either have them convert to DE or bring JJ back to DE. Also, maybe someone like Antwan Barnes could fill that role.

    QB...When Boller is playing lights out, I love this guy. But to be honest, he can't play a consistent 2-3 game run to save his life. The reason we loved Boller again, was he didn't have the opportunities to go out and remind us that he can't play a full season at the same level. I really wish the kid the best, but I believe we've seen enough. I'd start him next year, because I don't want to throw a rookie or Troy Smith out there to get ruined, but I don't think we should make any bones about it, the kid is on his way out of here in another year. As for Troy Smith, it's going to be hard to tell if he's the real deal or not until this team really starts to come together. I say if you see a QB sitting in a nice spot, take him anyway...I'd rather have a Cleveland situation, where you've got two good QBs, than have several mediocre QBs.

    We're pretty set at RB and LB and ST. I agree with the explosive factor at WR/TE, but I think Clayton, D Wil, and Heap will bring that next year when they're healthier...and DVD has earned a chance to come back to Baltimore and pickup on this play.

    Billick can stay, so long as he gives up the reigns on offense and lets someone come in who will do it up right. I think Neuheisel would've been great here, but he was a puppethead, and that's why he's trying desperately to get out while he still can. Bring in an imaginative college coach, or a very good, seasoned position coach and let them design our new offense.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Exiled is spot on... I like all fo those prosects, though I'm not so high on Jenkins, I'd rather a guy that is more physical and used to man up style at corner... coincidentally Mike Jenkins may be that guy. I think where we pick in the first will be too high to spend on any of these corners though. To me, our first should be used on a QB if still necessary, or a DE or traded back.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    I would say DE is our biggest need.


    I am severely dissapointed with Suggs. He just doesn't use his hands well to disengage from the blocker, and has no moves. Its just sad watching him do the same bull rush and get owned the same way almost every play.


    As for QB, I liked what I say from Troy Smith, but because we have shit for pass protection, we didn't get to see anything from him WITHIN THE POCKET, which is what teams feared with him. He's short so his ability to see downfield from insid the pocket is worrisome.


    And so again, I hope we draft a real center or let Jason Brown be center and draft another guard.


    I also agree that Troy Smith needs to see increased time this year.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Someone said next year is rebuilding, and i somewhat agreed. With the cap, and the money we will be eating next year. I can see that happening. Firing Brian is the easiest thing to do. But will we eat that contract too. I like suggs, so yes don't overpay but offer something to equal the down season he's having.

    I really don't know, how to fix the ravens. Just hope maybe TROY works out and rebuild the aging D in the draft. Maybe a QB first, but can we really afford that with the cap next year. That's a lot of money for top 5 picks. Just a thought.

    Roughly thinking, yes i think somethimes,LOL, Steve and J.O. retire. Eat the dead money for 08. Ray last season,or take a big paycut. Cmac and a draft pick starts next year with Rolle as the 3rd. The o line will hopefully gel next year and Kyle will start half and TROY will finish.

    I don't know but 08 is really lokking like a bye year for us. But i'm on the ship anyway. And always will be. Unless we lose to the fins this week, i'm jumping overboard and meet the ship at the bottom.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Thanks for the props Jonboy. I've just not seen enough of the CBs there to get a real read. I've seen Jenkins and Cason, but not Mike Jenkins. I'll see if I can find some stuff on a video site to have a better clue.
    Just win baby...




  10. #25

    Wink Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Lets see if I can find my way back to the questions:

    1) We don't need to overpay Terrell Suggs.
    We failed to tag Adalius Thomas or overpay him last season, and our Defense went from the penthouse to the outhouse. I don't mind overpaying Suggs a little, but not going overboard. Only because the team is getting so mediocre now, we have to keep some talent. Anyway, Suggs should be a better player next season if pryce comes back healthy and we do weel in the draft at DT.



    2) What to do about coaching? I would say fire Brian Billick.
    Billick will be back in 2008.


    3) At QB, what to do? Draft a QB? Start Troy Smith? Let Boller have at it for 1 more year? Really, the o-line played shitty enough last night (night and day v. the effort against the Patriots) that I don't know if we'll even get to know who the real Kyle Boller is v. the real Troy Smith or anyone else. 1st thing I think is get a real o-line. That'd give someone a real chance
    Hopefully get some O-Line improvement in the draft, but we don't have a lot of picks.

    Boller to start. Draft a QB in mid to low rounds to compete with Smith for backup.


    4) WR/TE.
    I'd love to get a burner, but he would have to be a diamond in the rough. I don't expect to see any changes here. The current goup is adequate

    5) CB. We need to draft a CB for depth. Our corners are old.
    This may be our 1st round choice.

    6) DT. We are thin at DT, and need to get healthy and draft more depth.
    If not CB, this should be our 1st round choice. (I was really impressed with prolific's wrie-up of Howie Long's son a few days ago - that guy could be a monster for us).
    In a 2003 BBC poll that asked Brits to name the "Greatest American Ever", Mr. T came in fourth, behind ML King (3rd), Abe Lincoln (2nd) and Homer Simpson (1st).




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    Thanks for the props Jonboy. I've just not seen enough of the CBs there to get a real read. I've seen Jenkins and Cason, but not Mike Jenkins. I'll see if I can find some stuff on a video site to have a better clue.
    Cason I would love to get, absolutely love it. And a positive from our awful season is that we'll be at the top of round 2. If Cason runs a over a 4.4 or a 4.5 40 as I suspect he might then he'd be there for us in round 2 and that'd be an excellent pick up for my money. That said, it's a long way off and who actually knows what Cason will run etc.


    T, I'm interested to know why you want to spend a first round pick on a defensive tackle? Ngata and Gregg are a top notch pairing and the offence is still clearly the issue, I'd not mind spending a 3rd (compensatory from Adalius?) or 4th rounder on a DT for depth but I don't think we can afford to spend a first on a defensive tackle.


    On the O-line I think we've pretty much got our lot there. I agree that Ogden's gone and I think the only way we're getting line help in is a veteran, don't think we'll be drafting anyone. This line is young enough already, assuming Ogden retires and Flynn is well on the way out, Jason Brown is the most experienced player on this line and we'll need a veteran presence to lead this line for the next three or four years in my opinion which I think we've missed with Ogden either not being in there physically or not being there in terms of full effort.


    At QB I don't think we can not draft a guy. I'm highly enamoured with Andre Woodson, I could give a hoot about his funky throwing motion, he's beaten the best with inferior talent and he looks after the ball. He's got everything you look for in a QB IMO, would far rather he than Ryan. Woodson, Brohm and Flacco are my top three from the draft, don't see there being a vet worth anything in free agency.


    I've said it before about Suggs, I don't see how we can not keep him. At the very least we need to tag him. He may still not have developed that inside move, but letting him leave means we've lost 20 sacks in two off seasons, that's not something we can overcome. We've still got plenty of talent on this team and completely doing away with our pass rush handicaps us big time with a lack of veteran presence at corner.


    Finally, receivers. At tight end either go for a vet, there will be someone to act as a stop gap or I'd like to look at Kellen Davis from Michigan State late on in the draft. Davis isn't much of a blocker (OK we might need to get a blocking TE in as none of Heap, Wilcox or Sypniewski really cuts mustard in that department) but he is an athletic mis-match on the field and would be a great red zone target. At WR, the common denominator I see with our receivers is that they're all small. Clayton and Mason are short in stature and Williams and Darling are both a little on the slight side. We don't have a big receiver who we can go to in tight spots, who will out muscle a guy for a quick slant or whatever, when Heap is out we don't have that there. Instead we're left looking for Mason or Clayton to punch above their weight and out muscle bigger guys on tough routes. I think we'd be well served looking to get someone in.


    Long ramblings, I suspect it'll be the first of many, here's to a long season/off-season of discussion, debate and disagreement.




  12. #27

    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    L Boller to start. Draft a QB in mid to low rounds to compete with Smith for backup.
    Yes, let's continue to ignore the fact that we are in dire need of a top notch QB.

    Draft a QB to "compete" for the backup spot?

    BTW, we've invested HEAVILY in the OL over the past few years.

    Why not give them at least half the chances you've given Boller over the years?

    You've got rookies in Yanda and Grubbs that were drafted in the 3rd and 1st round respectively. You've got a 2nd year guy in Chester that needs work at center but was drafted in the 2nd round to be the future at center. You've got a 3rd year player in Brown that has shown to be very competent. And you've got another 2nd round guy in Terry who's shown he can play fairly well at left tackle. Not to mention a guy with a high ceiling in Gaither.

    But we should draft OL and not QB?

    Puleeze.

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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    The OL is very much set (aside from center), it is just a matter of when the pieces fall into place. Brown and Grubbs are set, Yanda is likely set at RT, Terry will play LT until Gaither can take over or if Terry impresses. Chester at center is the only real question mark.

    Yes, we need a cornerback. But honestly, we can draft a corner this year or next year. We still have McAlister and Rolle. We can sign better stopgap solutions. We have a chance to draft one of the top 2 QBs in the draft..you can't pass that up when you're starting Kyle Boller. Good CBs can be had in free agency and a little later in the draft, especially when you're drafting high 2nd round.




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    Okay, here's the big question...

    I assume everyone here knows that in order to be an elite team, you need a franchise QB, especially in today's game.

    That being said, why are some people here content on keeping Boller as the starter, Smith as the backup, and drafting a QB in the late rounds?

    Is it because:
    -you believe Boller is an elite / franchise QB
    -there are no good QBs in the draft worth drafting at our draft position
    -you don't think you need an elite QB to win, and Boller is doing a good enough job to beat the best...


    This is going to be great, it's lose-lose if you're a harcore Boller supporter, unless you are completely delousional...
    Season over, guess I'll have to start drinking beer again...




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    Re: What do with this team. Draft a QB? Troy Smith? Fire Billick? hmmmm

    MOst of the non-QB drafters are the ELITE of the Boller fanclub. I was on the hugger side of the wars for YEARS and I am one of the very loudest in pimping Ryan... I really don't understand in ANY manner how ANYONE can look at any position as beign a hihger need then QB. I really don't get it. I've had people attempt to explain it and I still don't get it.




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