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  1. #16
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    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!



    It is time to ride Troy Smith for the rest of the season. Lets see what he has, because what he shows us could potentially drastically alter our draft strategy (QB vs CB in the first).

    Kyle is an ok back-up but he doesn't have a high enough football IQ to succeed consistently. Therefore we cannot win with him as a starter. McNair may be done depending on how he feels this offseason. We need to see if anyone on this team is viable long term at the most important position in football.

    I made a prediction before the draft that Troy Smith would end up with a better pro career than Brady Quinn. I still stand by that.




  2. #17

    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenFanatic2k6 View Post
    If you aren't convinced of that order after watching Kyle Boller play tonight, then you need to have your eyes checked.

    We will have McAlister and probably Rolle back next year. I am willing to take the chance that they will stay healthy, and draft a CB in the second. We are quite likely going to pick in the top 5, we can not pass on the opportunity to draft Matt Ryan or Brian Brohm. I have said before and I will say it again, getting a franchise QB and getting the right one is the quickest way to turn around the franchise.

    And you know what else, it doesn't really matter if McAlister and Rolle stay healthy or not. Next season is going to be a rebuilding year, unless we go out and get a veteran QB on the level of McNabb, there is no reason to believe the Ravens will compete next year. Next year will about getting young guys experience, letting Boller keep the seat warm for our top pick. 2009 and beyond is what we should be looking toward.

    As for the topic of the thread, there is no reason not to start Smith. Boller shown everyone what he is, a mediocre backup at best. See what Smith can do.
    Well, that's all fine and dandy dude. Apparently you skipped over the part where I said I was all for putting Troy Smith in. But if you can't see that simply throwing another QB at the situation and crossing your fingers he doesn't get beat to shit, hurt, or put in situations where he can't play to win, then I think you also need to be sitting in the same seat getting your eyes checked.

    Answer these questions for me:

    1) Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayton, Devard Darling, Derrick Mason right now would be a #1 receiver on what other team right now that has a winning record?

    2) Dan Wilcox is a #1 Tight End on what team currently in contention?

    3) How many sweeps, draws, traps, or swing/screen passes have we thrown to our RB's this year? Both Boller and McNair combined?

    4) How many times did Troy Smith against a backup defense had to scramble and run to make a play?

    5) How many defensive coordinators do you think have stayed up extra nights to prepare for a Brian Billick offensive?

    Let's get a dose of reality for just a second. Outside of the fact that the QB play sucks, and now we're probably going after our 11th QB in 10 years now, tell me exactly what on offense you DO see that says "respect me" to any other coach in the league? T'aint much.

    Seriously, we've seen the answer isn't Boller, McNair, Grbac, Banks, Blake, Wright, Cunningham, etc. And it seems no one on the planet thinks Troy Smith is the answer either although these were his first snaps in the NFL tonight. You guys aren't really stirring any confidence in me that in the end Smith will be any better than any of the guys above if you don't think he's the long term solution before even seeing him play against a real NFL defense.

    Not that I have any expectations for Troy Smith. He would be trying to run a Brian Billick I-Formation offense you know.

    So tell me exactly what confidence you have that just plugging in a Matt Ryan or Colt Brennan into this system is going to give you the instant results that 11 other guys couldn't. I need to know, because I am at a complete loss right now.




  3. #18

    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    Plugging a new qb will effectively give the new coordinator (that we can be almost assured will be forced upon Billick by Biscotti) a "fresh start". Even if the coordinator is Neuheisel (where Neuheisel actually has control of the offense, unlike this year), I think that Boller has been mentally screwed by the way Billick threw him into the fire too soon and so his career is pretty much destroyed. I think both Billick (I am NOT at all saying he should be offensive coordinator next year) and/or Neuheisel would defnitely handle the "new blood" differently than how Boller was handled because (at least Billick) would have the mistaken experience of throwing someone in too early as he did with Boller.

    Let me repeat, I am in NO WAY saying I endorse Billick as offensive coordinator.




  4. #19

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    Yes it looks bad when your qb has to worry about the pressure of third stringers; but the real point is that Smith handled the pressure pretty well and manufactured plays behind the same atrocious line play that Boller couldn't muster anything out of.
    Smith seems like a player, Boller is more of a robot.




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    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    It's simple, we would hopefully be plugging in a QB who knows what the hell he is doing! I get so tired of the offensive line excuse. Every NFL QB has their protection break down. It's what they do when that happens that makes them a legit NFL QB. Kyle Boller simply has no clue of what to do when under pressure. Go back and watch what Manning did when he was under pressure. He stepped up in the pocket and made something happen. Boller has no pocket awareness. It's either drop back and throw, or tuck and run the second protection begins to break down. He just doesn't have what it takes. It's time to take a chance on another young QB who has the intangibles that Boller doesn't have.


    Yes it looks bad when your qb has to worry about the pressure of third stringers; but the real point is that Smith handled the pressure pretty well and manufactured plays behind the same atrocious line play that Boller couldn't muster anything out of.
    Smith seems like a player, Boller is more of a robot.
    Exactly! It's what the QB does when under pressure. Some simply melt(Boller) while others move around and make something happen. One thing that I noticed tonight was the way that Smith was looking down the field when he was scrambling. I can count the number of times I have seen Boller do that on one hand. It's pretty sad when a rookie can handle that type of stuff but your 5th year QB can't.




  6. #21

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I'm all for it at this point. We need to see what this guy has.

    Here's the problem, Billick hasn't been able to design an offense to work with any QB in the last 9 years. He is just going to send Troy Smith out there with the same old plays.
    Let's not be so quick to rest the woes all on Billick. You know I like you stinger, but I am going to have to place this loss almost entirely on Boller and on the offense AND the decimated D. This game fell apart on so many levels it was almost comical. I started playing the Benny Hill music at one point.

    Do not get this wrong, Billick is an ass who needs to find work somewhere else, but the whole team looked like shit. At least they sucessfully did THAT as a team effort.
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




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    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sephy View Post
    Honestly, you might as well. We play Miami next week, there will not be a better opponent to cut his teeth on.
    True. Perfect team to get his start against. But he won't.




  8. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTRaven View Post
    It's simple, we would hopefully be plugging in a QB who knows what the hell he is doing! I get so tired of the offensive line excuse. Every NFL QB has their protection break down. It's what they do when that happens that makes them a legit NFL QB. Kyle Boller simply has no clue of what to do when under pressure. Go back and watch what Manning did when he was under pressure. He stepped up in the pocket and made something happen. Boller has no pocket awareness. It's either drop back and throw, or tuck and run the second protection begins to break down. He just doesn't have what it takes. It's time to take a chance on another young QB who has the intangibles that Boller doesn't have.
    Ok fine, but don't give me the Peyton Manning shit. How many times was he remotely hurried last night?? NONE! How many times was Peyton Manning sacked yesterday? NONE!

    DON"T EVEN ATTEMPT to confuse Boller's shitty play yesterday with anything we tried and failed to do on defense to Peyton Manning. Please don't.

    What happens when you hurry or pressure Peyton Manning? He throws 6 interceptions and gets rattled. That is a FACT.



    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave
    Let's not be so quick to rest the woes all on Billick. You know I like you stinger, but I am going to have to place this loss almost entirely on Boller and on the offense AND the decimated D. This game fell apart on so many levels it was almost comical. I started playing the Benny Hill music at one point.

    Do not get this wrong, Billick is an ass who needs to find work somewhere else, but the whole team looked like shit. At least they sucessfully did THAT as a team effort.
    And who got the team the least bit motivated to play the stellar game they did on both sides of the ball? Who kept calling the same bullshit up-the-middle runs last night as if we still have Jamal Lewis? Who waited until the game was almost over to replace Boller with Smith?

    Don't give Billick a pass for last night either.




  9. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Ok fine, but don't give me the Peyton Manning shit. How many times was he remotely hurried last night?? NONE! How many times was Peyton Manning sacked yesterday? NONE!

    DON"T EVEN ATTEMPT to confuse Boller's shitty play yesterday with anything we tried and failed to do on defense to Peyton Manning. Please don't.

    What happens when you hurry or pressure Peyton Manning? He throws 6 interceptions and gets rattled. That is a FACT.





    And who got the team the least bit motivated to play the stellar game they did on both sides of the ball? Who kept calling the same bullshit up-the-middle runs last night as if we still have Jamal Lewis? Who waited until the game was almost over to replace Boller with Smith?

    Don't give Billick a pass for last night either.

    Absolutely not sir. I would not give Billick a pass on this teams disgusting season. The Ravens team as a whole should be ashamed of themselves. INCLUDING Brian Billick.
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




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    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    It won't happen, but clearly Smith should start for the rest of the season.

    This team has so many holes it looks like Swiss cheese. They might as well play Smith and see how he does in a few games of live action. At worst, he stinks. At best, he might show enough where you consider having him compete for the starting job next year. Hopefully in a non-Billick offense.




  11. #26

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    I cant believe it took this long for you guys to wake the F up.

    When do we cut this turkey! and please spare us with we got to keep him because he *knows* the system, he cleary doesn't
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  12. #27

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    Buy a ticket for Boller and Billck to get out of town. Boller is scared to death out there




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    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    I cant believe it took this long for you guys to wake the F up.

    When do we cut this turkey! and please spare us with we got to keep him because he *knows* the system, he cleary doesn't
    Speaking of waking up, is it okay to be concerned about this year's team now, crazy?




  14. #29

    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    I cant believe it took this long for you guys to wake the F up.

    When do we cut this turkey! and please spare us with we got to keep him because he *knows* the system, he cleary doesn't
    I concede. The Boller we saw on Monday is clearly NOT the Boller we will see every week. I wanted the guy to turn the corner.

    I guess we can invite the artist formally known as Tex back to the forums now.
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  15. #30

    Re: Go With Smith!!!!!

    The Ravens need to go into evaluation mode with everyone except Kyle Boller, because he has been the same for 5 years--a backup, but not a full time starter.

    The Ravens probably will draft a top QB in the off season because every successful NFL team that wins playoffs and Super Bowls has one.

    McNair should not be back under any circumstance because there is no upside in using him or keeping him. Band-aid personnel is not the way to go.

    With all said, we will see how much Billick will do alternating personnel in the next 3 games. If they feel they must go out with at least 1 win in the next few games, we may not see Troy Smith, which would be a shame because we might lose him the same way we lost Derek Anderson.




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