The Baltimore Ravens Fanbase needs to make up its mind.

[steelerhater]

I swear to the good Lord it does. Do you want an offense that is going to light people up every week? An offense that, even the best defense in the league will have trouble keeping under 25 points? Or does the fanbase want a 'Complementary' offense, that's just not going to screw things up for the defense? Because if it's the latter, then you are wasting your time drafting a QB in the first round for that. That spells, mid-round pick, let him play out his rookie contract and go get another one in four years.

If you're looking for a QB for the next decade, when those four years are up (Five if he's a first round pick), you are going to have to pay up for him. And if all you want out of the offense is for it to run the ball, not turn the ball over and have the passing offense make two to three plays a game, you're wasting your money paying a big contract out to that QB.

The fanbase is talking about the QB position in a schizophrenic manner. Make up your minds people.

Furthermore, I have yet to hear a single fan say that they want a new QB, WITHOUT acknowledging (Directly or indirectly) that said QB would also have to be accompanied by significant overhaul of the way this organization approaches offense. I have yet to hear a single fan say that they want a QB to be placed into the current situation. Or previous Ravens situations for that matter. All I hear is that we'd also have to put forth an asserted effort to get him two or three pass catchers. Which, HELLO!, they should have been doing years ago.

When I hear people criticize Flacco (He drives me nuts sometimes too), if you really read into what they're saying, they're not saying he's terrible. What they're really saying, implication wise, is that he's not been playing up to par, but there are so many variable reasons why they can't come close to putting a hypothetical percentage on it, but since he makes the money and looks like he's on downers when he's on the field, even when we're losing, I'm going to shit on him for a while to take a break from shitting on the organization.

There isn't just a difference in the way the Ravens have approached offense overall. There is a disparity the size of Bc's Sister-in-Law, compared to other perennial contenders.

Fans who want to put a new QB into THIS situation, don't want a great QB to have the franchise set for the next decade. They want David Carr, because that's what they're going to get.

So, you draft a QB in the first round, and he's throwing to who? Being protected by who? Getting his play calls from who?

At least, when Flacco was drafted, they had a line, a RB already in place, a reliable WR already in place and a Coordinator whose one good trait believe it or not, is developing young QBs who are suited for Coryell based offenses. Not to mention a CLUTCH defense, not that cheap imitation, no, I'm sorry, OVERPRICED (Since we still wanna talk about overpriced people even though it's darn near the going rate for their position now) imitation of a clutch defense.

Now, look at the situation I just laid out and how much worse the current one is. If they don't re-sign Jensen, they'll only have two proven lineman and one you hope will continue to trend up (Skura), no WRs, their best TE contemplating retirement, A Coordinator that half the city wanted fired, and a RB that we were fortunate to have fix his fumbling. Nobody even knows what they run? It's like the West Coast offense that was the hottest Porn star in the country..................20 years ago, and now is fat, deformed from all of the surgeries and worth a chicken box from Lexington Market.

So, I know that people want to see change. I get that, but you need to figure out what you want going forward.

I think most of tve fanbase see the underlying issue with the Ravens being the owner and coaching. Until that changes, nothing is going to get better. A high-powered, attacking offense is not in Harbaugh's DNA.

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[NC Raven]

[BearArms]

I swear to the good Lord it does. Do you want an offense that is going to light people up every week? An offense that, even the best defense in the league will have trouble keeping under 25 points? Or does the fanbase want a 'Complementary' offense, that's just not going to screw things up for the defense? Because if it's the latter, then you are wasting your time drafting a QB in the first round for that. That spells, mid-round pick, let him play out his rookie contract and go get another one in four years.

If you're looking for a QB for the next decade, when those four years are up (Five if he's a first round pick), you are going to have to pay up for him. And if all you want out of the offense is for it to run the ball, not turn the ball over and have the passing offense make two to three plays a game, you're wasting your money paying a big contract out to that QB.

The fanbase is talking about the QB position in a schizophrenic manner. Make up your minds people.

Furthermore, I have yet to hear a single fan say that they want a new QB, WITHOUT acknowledging (Directly or indirectly) that said QB would also have to be accompanied by significant overhaul of the way this organization approaches offense. I have yet to hear a single fan say that they want a QB to be placed into the current situation. Or previous Ravens situations for that matter. All I hear is that we'd also have to put forth an asserted effort to get him two or three pass catchers. Which, HELLO!, they should have been doing years ago.

When I hear people criticize Flacco (He drives me nuts sometimes too), if you really read into what they're saying, they're not saying he's terrible. What they're really saying, implication wise, is that he's not been playing up to par, but there are so many variable reasons why they can't come close to putting a hypothetical percentage on it, but since he makes the money and looks like he's on downers when he's on the field, even when we're losing, I'm going to shit on him for a while to take a break from shitting on the organization.

There isn't just a difference in the way the Ravens have approached offense overall. There is a disparity the size of Bc's Sister-in-Law, compared to other perennial contenders.

Fans who want to put a new QB into THIS situation, don't want a great QB to have the franchise set for the next decade. They want David Carr, because that's what they're going to get.

So, you draft a QB in the first round, and he's throwing to who? Being protected by who? Getting his play calls from who?

At least, when Flacco was drafted, they had a line, a RB already in place, a reliable WR already in place and a Coordinator whose one good trait believe it or not, is developing young QBs who are suited for Coryell based offenses. Not to mention a CLUTCH defense, not that cheap imitation, no, I'm sorry, OVERPRICED (Since we still wanna talk about overpriced people even though it's darn near the going rate for their position now) imitation of a clutch defense.

Now, look at the situation I just laid out and how much worse the current one is. If they don't re-sign Jensen, they'll only have two proven lineman and one you hope will continue to trend up (Skura), no WRs, their best TE contemplating retirement, A Coordinator that half the city wanted fired, and a RB that we were fortunate to have fix his fumbling. Nobody even knows what they run? It's like the West Coast offense that was the hottest Porn star in the country..................20 years ago, and now is fat, deformed from all of the surgeries and worth a chicken box from Lexington Market.

So, I know that people want to see change. I get that, but you need to figure out what you want going forward.

I entirely believe that 2018 will tell ev everything we need to know about Flaccids (ha! Auto text nailed it) future with the Ravens. He either shows that it was injuries, poor playmakers, coaches etc... and plays well or he cements the regression and it will be obvious. I can't make a final call on Flacco until this season.

[The Excellector]

Nothing lame about it NCRaven. You don't spend a high pick on a QB for him to run a complementary offense, only to pay him big time money when his contract is up.

[alien bird]

It really doesn't matter what I want - or what any fan wants, and there certainly doesn't need to be any consensus among tens of thousands of fans. It doesn't matter what kind of change I want, who I want to pay, keep, let go, draft, etc., because I don't get to do any of that. I get to watch, cheer, gripe and complain - or not. The direction and make-up of the team is out of my control and always will be.

It's a liberating realization . . .