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  1. #25

    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward



    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    Failed Obama promises that some would consider "socialist" that he walked back from. (my point being he talked like he would be a very liberal politician, but once again like all politicians do, he walked firmly back into the center right of his party

    Eliminate all oil and gas tax loopholes

    Eliminating special tax breaks for oil and gas companies: including repealing special expensing rules, foreign tax credit benefits, and manufacturing deductions for oil and gas firms.

    Expand and make refundable the child and dependent care credit.

    Require publicly traded financial partnerships to pay the corporate income tax

    Close loopholes in the corporate tax deductibility of CEO pay

    Create a $10 billion fund to help homeowners refinance or sell their homes. "The Fund will not help speculators, people who bought vacation homes or people who falsely represented their incomes."

    Provide option for a pre-filled-out tax form
    Will direct the Internal Revenue Service to "give taxpayers the option of a pre-filled tax form to verify, sign and return to the IRS or online. This will eliminate the need for Americans to hire expensive tax preparers and to gather information that the federal government already has on file."

    Create a mortgage interest tax credit for non-itemizers
    Create a refundable tax credit equal to 10 percent of mortgage interest for nonitemizers, up to a maximum credit of $800.
    Require automatic enrollment in 401(k) plans

    Automatic enrollment in 401(k) plans for workers whose employers offer retirement plans.

    Create a retirement savings tax credit for low incomes
    A tax credit for retirement savings up to $500 (couples) or $250 (singles). Phases out when incomes exceed $65,000 (couples) or $32,500 (single). Indexed for inflation.

    End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000

    Create a $60 billion bank to fund roads and bridges

    Employee Free Choice Act, making it easier for workers to unionize
    "Obama is a cosponsor and strong advocate of the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA), a bipartisan effort to make the unionization process more transparent and increase penalties on companies that violate employee rights. He will sign EFCA into law as president."

    Lift the payroll tax cap on earnings above $250,000

    Forbid companies in bankruptcy from giving executives bonuses

    Allow imported prescription drugs

    Allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper drug prices

    Sign the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities

    Fully fund the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA)

    Create a National Commission on People with Disabilities, Employment, and Social Security

    Change rules so small businesses owned by people with disabilities get preferences for contracts.

    Reduce the threshhold for the Family and Medical Leave Act from companies with 50 employees to companies with 25 employees

    Require that employers provide seven paid sick days per year

    Expand the Family Medical Leave Act to include leave for domestic violence or sexual assault

    Double U.S. spending on foreign aid to $50 billion a year by 2012

    Launch a new 'America's Voice Corps'
    "Obama also would launch a new 'America's Voice Corps' to rapidly recruit and train fluent speakers of local languages (Arabic, Bahasa Melayu, Bahasa, Farsi, Urdu, and Turkish) with public diplomacy skills, who can ensure our voice is heard in the mass media and in our efforts on the ground."

    Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center

    Require companies to disclose personal information data breaches

    Double the Peace Corps

    Create a public "Contracts and Influence" database
    "Will create a 'contracts and influence' database that will disclose how much federal contractors spend on lobbying, and what contracts they are getting and how well they complete them."
    Expose Special Interest Tax Breaks to Public Scrutiny

    "Will ensure that any tax breaks for corporate recipients — or tax earmarks — are also publicly available on the Internet in an easily searchable format."

    Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials

    double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve one million more children.

    Create scholarships to recruit new teachers

    Require all schools of education to be accredited


    Regulate pollution from major livestock operations

    Provide a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants

    Expand the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to include sexual orientation and gender identity

    Sign the Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act into law

    Increase the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour

    Fully fund the COPS program
    the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS)

    Create a national catastrophe insurance reserve

    Establish a Global Energy Corps to promote green energy in developing countries

    Double federal funding for basic science research over 10 years

    Give tax incentives to new farmers

    Strengthen the Age Discrimination in Employment Act

    Work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers

    Establish a low carbon fuel standard

    Require 25 percent renewable energy by 2025

    Require more flex-fuel cars for the federal government

    Mandate flexible fuel vehicles by 2012

    Sign the Freedom of Choice Act

    Create a public option health plan for a new National Health Insurance Exchange.

    Invest $50 billion in auto manufacturing facilities for fuel efficient vehicles

    Introduce a comprehensive immigration bill in the first year

    End tax deductions for companies that offshore

    Work to renew the assault weapons ban
    Walk with picketers when collective bargaining rights are threatened
    ...after all that copying and pasting, the government grew and the economy didn't...

    Barry combined comprehensive government regulation of private businesses with a steadily enlarging public sector. Explain to me how that isn't socialism at its core? His legacy is a socialistic program of medical care redistribution.

    When BHO was running against HRC in 2007/2008, the MSM didn't talk about any of his connections to radical groups such as ACORN, UNO of Chicago, the Midwest Academy, and the Socialist Scholars Conferences or his years at Columbia. Didn't Barry used to quote Saul Alinsky in his speeches? I remember that Saul Alinsky's son actually wrote a letter to Obama about how he was faithfully following his father's legacy. It's all there if you want to acknowledge it. Most don't because it doesn't paint a flattering portrait of him...neither does the portrait he just had done. Lol.

    I didn't expect to be debating this topic this morning. It's fun though. Good shit HbgPARavenfan.
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  2. #26

    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    ...after all that copying and pasting, the government grew and the economy didn't...

    Barry combined comprehensive government regulation of private businesses with a steadily enlarging public sector. Explain to me how that isn't socialism at its core?

    His legacy is a socialistic program of medical care redistribution.
    .
    Thats a pretty broad view of socialism tho. By that definition you could argue we've been a socialist country for decades. Thats basically all Im saying. He wast vastly different than the majority of sitting presidents, particularly democrats.

    His legacy is obamacare, but its likely going to be footnote in history, like his entire presidency outside of he was the 1st black president honestly. He really didnt accomplish any of the major things he claimed he represented. (for good or bad depending on preference)

    I dont recall the democratic primaries to be honest, but I know there were concerns over some of his affiliations. I can see why thats alarming, but again...once he became president...he basically fell in line with what most presidents try to do...not rock the boat, hope the economy is favorable, give speaches about how we're doing great, but could be doing much better if the other party wasnt in the way.


    I think once time (years) gives us some distance, obama wont be the boogey man. He was a pedestrian president, but he was the last president, so he's the enemy until there is a Next - last president
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  3. #27

    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    I think once time (years) gives us some distance, obama wont be the boogey man. He was a pedestrian president, but he was the last president, so he's the enemy until there is a Next - last president
    I fundamentally disagree.

    The country changed A LOT while he was in office...and it wasn't for the better. BHO was anything but pedestrian.





  4. #28

    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    Thats a pretty broad view of socialism tho. By that definition you could argue we've been a socialist country for decades.
    Not at all.

    A FREE market grows and thrives. Look what's happening now. That's capitalism to a tee and it's a beautiful thing. It's why we have the strongest economy on earth and that's one of the reasons people float on trash for thousands of miles to come live here.

    A heavily REGULATED market doesn't grow...and it didn't when Barry was in charge. Isn't that the actual definition of socialism? The means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...





  5. #29

    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    I agree with that, but...not supporting the RADICAL changes Barry wanted to make (socialized medical care) is one thing. Not supporting anything Trump wants to do and its something the Democrats have been in favor of in the past...is another thing. That's what I'm saying.

    For God's sake...John McCain and a slew of other Senators promised their constituents for years that they would repeal Obamacare the first chance they got. When they had their chance, they basically told the POTUS to fuck off. Infrastructure spending is something that both parties have been in favor of in the past. Congress has a chance to act on it...FINALLY...and they are being told to tell the POTUS to fuck off. Chuck Schumer called for a military parade in 2014 and now that Trump echoed Schumer's statements...Trump is Kim Jong Un! The Dems want to give amnesty to the 800,000 Dreamers so Trump decides to give amnesty to 2 million instead and the Democrats are again...telling him to fuck off.




    This is off-topic, but I have to comment. I have to assume you're kidding, right? He gave the government more power than any POTUS in US History not named FDR or Hoover. Appreciated his presidential manner? Huh? He sacrificed GDP growth for government intervention. Moderate? He was the most extreme liberal to ever occupy the White House. There's a reason the economy never grew under him. He kept regulating the entire business industry and the country suffered as a result.
    To be fair, under Obama, we kept hearing about the need for infrastructure spending, how it had always been bipartisan before, and how the Republicans were blocking it, so yes, it is basically the pendulum swinging the other way.

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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Ortizer View Post
    To be fair, under Obama, we kept hearing about the need for infrastructure spending, how it had always been bipartisan before, and how the Republicans were blocking it, so yes, it is basically the pendulum swinging the other way.

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    I haven't looked at the Republicans plan. But I remember (vaguely) that Obama's plans much like the bailout and omnibus spending bill was just basically funneling money to unions and Obama's buddy's (aka donors).
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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I haven't looked at the Republicans plan. But I remember (vaguely) that Obama's plans much like the bailout and omnibus spending bill was just basically funneling money to unions and Obama's buddy's (aka donors).
    Didn't an infrastructure bill pass in Congress in 2015? Didn't the GOP oppose the initial plan that uncle Bernie put forth, but eventually the 2 sides hammered out a deal? This was almost 4 years ago...but I recall something was eventually passed.

    There's always gonna be back and forth on this shit, because that's the way the system is setup. However, there is no chance that GOP will get bipartisan support on anything they push forward...even after the 2 sides have their traditional back and forths. That's what their courageous leader is telling them.
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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    Didn't an infrastructure bill pass in Congress in 2015? Didn't the GOP oppose the initial plan that uncle Bernie put forth, but eventually the 2 sides hammered out a deal? This was almost 4 years ago...but I recall something was eventually passed.
    I stopped paying close attention to the inner workings of deals probably around 2012 ish. But recall there were several deals they were able to hammer out... And by that I mean the Republicans caving so they didn't get blamed for shit not getting done. If I recall Obama's last budget Crying Chuck Schumer was blown away but what they got out of the deal, so much so he said it was more than they could have hoped for.
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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    I stopped paying close attention to the inner workings of deals probably around 2012 ish. But recall there were several deals they were able to hammer out... And by that I mean the Republicans caving so they didn't get blamed for shit not getting done. If I recall Obama's last budget Crying Chuck Schumer was blown away but what they got out of the deal, so much so he said it was more than they could have hoped for.
    The GOP caved on a lot of shit.

    Any chance the Dems do the same under this administration? Not a chance. Hell, Trump isn't getting Republican support either.





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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    The GOP caved on a lot of shit.

    Any chance the Dems do the same under this administration? Not a chance. Hell, Trump isn't getting Republican support either.
    He’s not gonna Rav. Trump wasn’t and still isn’t the GOP choice. Hell he’s really not a Rep. He openly backed the Clintons back when Big Willy was in. His “taste “ didn’t change until it looked like Obama was gonna win in 08? Then he started the “birther” movement. I know you personally like Trump and that’s certainly your right but to me ( I said this when he ran) I think Trump seen running as a game. Watch me say what I want , do what I want and the people will love me. Well...he was right. He had to run on the GOP ticket cause he wasn’t gonna sway the Dems off of HRC or Bernie. The GOP parades out about 100 candidates so Trump had the best shot of winning the popularity contest. I’m not saying he’s done a bad job or a good job so far ...but he’s def gonna fight an uphill battle if he doesn’t get the support of his “party”.


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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    he’s def gonna fight an uphill battle if he doesn’t get the support of his “party”.
    They all hate him and have always hated him since he came down that escalator in 2015. It was always gonna be an uphill battle no matter what. His goals don't align with theirs. If the GOP maintains its majority after November, things might change. I think Trump has been more of a thorn in the side of the secret "political machine" behind closed doors and that's one of the reasons these senators and congressman spew hatred his way every chance they get. That's one of the reasons people like Lindsay Graham don't want illegal immigration to stop in this country. It benefits his donors and special interest groups but it hurts his constituents and John Q. Taxpayer.

    I hate party politics. In a perfect world, we would have a leader who doesn't play this political party bullshit and isn't owned by billion-dollar "special interests" and only does what's in the best interest of the people who pay their salaries like cutting taxes and stimulating private businesses growth. Wait...what?
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    Re: Democrats: Fight Anything Trump, Republicans Put Forward

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    I don't think the uphill battle has anything to do with the GOP supporting or not supporting him. They all hate him and have always hated him since he came down that escalator in 2015. It was always gonna be an uphill battle no matter what. His goals don't align with theirs. If the GOP maintains its majority after November, things might change. I think Trump has been more of a thorn in the side of the secret "political machine" behind closed doors and that's one of the reasons these senators and congressman spew hatred his way every chance they get.

    I hate party politics. In a perfect world, we would have a leader who doesn't play this political party bullshit and isn't owned by billion-dollar "special interests" and only does what's in the best interest of the people who pay their salaries. Wait...what?
    I agree 100% except that the current POTUS is a billion dollar special interest. Trump is Wall St. he’s a cog in their wheel. But atleast he doesn’t hide it. That I can respect.


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