Trade for Alex Smith

**esmd** · 01-12-2018, 10:23 PM

Do you even understand how the salary cap works? No, of course you don't. If we trade Flacco now we'd have like $20 some million in dead money plus Smith's salary. Never going to happen.

**unbelievable** · 01-12-2018, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by YorkRavensFan

Unless Alex Smith can catch really well and get a lot of yards after the catch, no, cause if Joe would just stop dropping all those passes he'd be fine. I mean, I was pissed that Flacco couldn't cover Boyd and get a pass defense or at least tackle him short of the sticks, but what can you do. I was seriously ready to get rid of Flacco when he couldn't cover Brown or stop Bell against the Steelers too.

The Ravens ranked 16th in the NFL for dropped passes. But that doesn't matter, huh? I agree a lot of those passes were frustrating but what about all those touchdowns that we failed to catch because Joe Flacco overthrew his WRs or came up short, or made the wrong read, or dunked it down to the RB because he can't anticipate routes down field. How many passes would so bad that you just stopped what you were doing for the next 5 minutes and blankly stared at the TV wondering WHAT THE HELL WAS JOE FLACCO THINKING?

It's brutal being the voice of reason because it hurts me to hurt you when I have to tell you how bad Joe flacco is hurting this team.

**unbelievable** · 01-12-2018, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by esmd

Do you even understand how the salary cap works? No, of course you don't. If we trade Flacco now we'd have like $20 some million in dead money plus Smith's salary. Never going to happen.

We're better without Joe Flacco. Rip the band-aid off and take the hit.

I understand perfectly how the cap works. Parting ways with Joe this year, we would assume $28.75M in dead money. If we cut or trade him after june-1, that dead cap spreads out over 2 years. Which, would save us $12M in cap space THIS YEAR and $10.5M next year. However, we would indeed have wasted a lot of cap space when you look at it in hindsight. But to be fair we're already wasting a lot of cap space with Joe Flacco ON THE TEAM.

In my scenario, I offered a reasonable substitution for mitigating some dead cap this year. We assume Alex Smith's contract in place of Flacco's. Get at least equal production for 1 year. And begin the process of swallowing an awful contract and moving on. In 2019, we have an additional $10.5 in cap space that we otherwise wouldnt have had with Flacco ON THE TEAM. So obviously, we would be faced with some decisions moving forward. Draft a rookie QB early? Extend Smith? Both? Maybe let Alex be our stop gap for a year? The following year you're paying $4-5M for a (1st rd) rookie QB, $1M or less for any round after... AND STILL would have saved MORE money in cap space then if Joe Flacco was on our roster.

**moose10101** · 01-12-2018, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by unbelievable

It's brutal being the voice of the reason

You owe me a new keyboard.

**YorkRavensFan** · 01-12-2018, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by unbelievable

The Ravens ranked 16th in the NFL for dropped passes. But that doesn't matter, huh? I agree a lot of those passes were frustrating but what about all those touchdowns that we failed to catch because Joe Flacco overthrew his WRs or came up short, or made the wrong read, or dunked it down to the RB because he can't anticipate routes down field. How many passes would so bad that you just stopped what you were doing for the next 5 minutes and blankly stared at the TV wondering WHAT THE HELL WAS JOE FLACCO THINKING?

It's brutal being the voice of the reason because it hurts me to hurt you when I have to tell you how bad Joe flacco is hurting this team.

First of all, #12 through #16 on that list all had the same number of dropped passes according to those NFL stats. Second, there is no chance in hell that the Ravens only had 20 dropped passes in this entire season. There were at least 6 or 7 just in the last game. I'm sorry but if you're in the NFL and the ball hits you in the hands/chest/etc, you freaking catch the ball. I don't care if the ball was thrown a foot off target. You get paid to make a freaking play. If we catch even half of those drops in the Bengals game, or even just the one bobble turned INT from Moore, we probably win that game. Is Flacco great - not usually but he can be when he's healthy and guys catch the ball. Is he the main problem - hell no. Is a guy like Alex Smith going to be better, or even remotely as good - hell no. Do you think that trading for another QB is suddenly going to make these coaches scheme guys open or call plays that make sense in the context of the game? I don't think so

**YorkRavensFan** · 01-12-2018, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by unbelievable

We're better without Joe Flacco.

I get the impression you never watched this team with guys like Boller and Grbac. You want to talk about ripping off band-aids. I'd rather rip off my arm than ever go back to that. The grass isn't always greener. In fact, it rarely is.

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 01-12-2018, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by unbelievable

We're better without Joe Flacco. Rip the band-aid off and take the hit.

I understand perfectly how the cap works. Parting ways with Joe this year, we would assume $28.75M in dead money. If we cut or trade him after june-1, that dead cap spreads out over 2 years. Which, would save us $12M in cap space THIS YEAR and $8M next year. However, we would indeed have wasted a lot of cap space when you look at it in hindsight. But to be fair we're already wasting a lot of cap space with Joe Flacco ON THE TEAM.

In my scenario, I offered a reasonable substitution for mitigating some dead cap this year. We assume Alex Smith's contract in place of Flacco's. Get at least equal production for 1 year. And begin the process of swallowing an awful contract and moving on. In 2019, we have an additional $8M in cap space that we otherwise wouldnt have had with Flacco ON THE TEAM. So obviously, we would be faced with some decisions moving forward. Draft a rookie QB early? Extend Smith? Both? Maybe let Alex be our stop gap for a year? The following year you're paying $4-5M for a (1st rd) rookie QB, $1M or less for any round after... AND STILL would have saved MORE money in cap space then if Joe Flacco was on our roster.

I may be a salty sally, but man are you ever one silly sally!

**unbelievable** · 01-12-2018, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by YorkRavensFan

I get the impression you never watched this team with guys like Boller and Grbac. You want to talk about ripping off band-aids. I'd rather rip off my arm than ever go back to that. The grass isn't always greener. In fact, it rarely is.

Boller scarred us all. I get it. I get the hesitation of not wanting to move on from Joe. But that's straight up Stockholm Syndrome mentality. We all are prisoners to Jersey Joe. Anything at this point is better than what Flacco has been putting on the field. Seriously, rookie QBs in their 1st, 2nd years and bums from yesteryear are out quarterbacking Joe Flacco. We are entering no man's land with Joe. I'm tired of being held hostage by his inconsistency. In today's NFL it's a lot easier to play Quarterback then what Boller had to go through. But to be fair Boller was on his own level. A rare find.