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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?



    It started right after the Super Bowl. The timeline is there. We all know why.
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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenWave52 View Post
    With 36 picks from 2012-2015, 4 drafts, the Ravens only selected these useful starting* players: Upshaw, Osemele, Juzczyk, Williams, Wagner, Jensen, Mosley, Jernigan. Of which only Williams and Mosley are definitely on the team next year. So in 4 years, 36 picks, we have 1 Pro-bowl Raven LB and a very good run stopping DT to show for it. Everyone else was a JAG or bust.

    If our strategy is to build from the draft that means we had a 22% hit rate for starters and a 5% long term success rate from 2012-2015. It is hard to be that bad.

    *I'm stretching the definition of starting for Upshaw and Jernigan, but they were more than JAG contributors.
    That’s a solid analysis of the situation. Good job.





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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by WNCRavensFan View Post
    2008: Flacco and Rice were home run picks. Any time you get a Superbowl MVP who's won 7 road playoff games at QB, that's a home run, elite or not. Rice topped 2000 yps twice. Everything else was pretty bad though. Tom Zbikowski and Haruki Nakamura were nice backup safeties / ST players but that's it. This draft more than any points to the imprtance of hitting on your top picks.

    2009: Oher was a solid single, so was Kruger. Webb was a very good 3rd round pick. Cedric Peerman was another (pro bowl) special teamer but for other teams. Again, nearly no returns past day 2, but the top three picks contributed to the Superbowl team.

    2010: Do we start with the Kindle/Cody season? Not really. No first round pick, and despite the disastrous Round 2, the later picks of Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and Arthur Jones turned out well, especially Pitta.

    2011: Jimmy Smith is the best 1st round talent since Haloti Ngata. It's sad that injuries have withheld him from an All Pro selection. Smith a solid Round 2 pick, and McPhee/Taylor very good picks for round 5/6. This was overall a good draft.

    2012: Upshaw was ok for Round 2 and Osemele was a home run taken away by free agency. Bernard Pierce had a good rookie season and helped in the playoff run (and then ???). DeAngelo Tyson was a good round 7 pick that moved on. This draft arguably has the best Round 2 and Round 7 picks in team history, albeit the bar for Round 7 is not high.

    2013: Here's the one we keep referring to with the horrible picks of Elam and Brown in rounds 1/2. But after round 2, this is probably the best the Ravens have ever done. Williams in Rd 3, Simon and Juszczyk in round 4, Wagner in round 5 and Jensen in round 6. That is rare to hit on a player in four straight rounds.

    2014: Mosley is almost a home run in Rd 1 -- I don't care if he's overrated and struggles vs TEs, he's a perennial award candidate. Jernigan is showing in Philly why he was a Rd 2 pick. Past that, we really start getting into guys that get hurt all the time. The string of Brooks-Gilmore-Urban-Taliaferro-Urshel-Campanaro picks have given us many, many games inactive or on IR.

    2015: Here's the doozy. Perriman, Williams, Davis, Smith, Allen, Walker (RIP), Boyle, Myers, Waller. I think this is the worst draft ever for the Ravens. Only Buck Allen has avoided missing significant time for one reason or another.

    2016: This draft still shows a lot of promise but it may not bear fruit. Stanley is a good pick especially when you see the drop off after the top seven. Correa/Kaufusi look like bad picks but their time is not yet done. Rounds 4-6 have a mix of developing players and people on IR. Moore, Henry, Judon and Canady are the former... Young, Lewis and Dixon the latter.

    2017: just too early to tell... but Humphrey looks like another good Round 1 pick.
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    So in conclusion, what's really hurting the team are the 2014-2016 drafts and all the injuries to those young players. They either suck up roster spots being inactive, or they are put on IR. They have caused cap problems as well, necessitating restructures the team would rather not have to do. A guy like say John Simon gets cut -- he doesn't help the team but he doesn't cost the team resources either. A guy like Crockett Gilmore pokes a hole in the team design and bleeds resources out a little. Too many of those and the team is bleeding too much.

    Next season will be the third for the 2016 draft class. It is paramount that the Rounds 4-6 picks (along with Stanley) continue to improve. They would form a large part of team success.
    Jimmy Smith was not a good 1st round talent. He can't stay healthy in any year. By the time you're at the end of the season or in the playoffs, he's already on IR. To me, he's a bust.

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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Jimmy Smith was not a good 1st round talent. He can't stay healthy in any year. By the time you're at the end of the season or in the playoffs, he's already on IR. To me, he's a bust.

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    Lol jfc thats a bad take





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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Good Post WNC although I certainly have more faith in 2016 draft, to me it looks like the best one although I will admit that how injuries go over the next year will determine that.

    Without delving into it too far, 2015 is probably our worst draft ever.





  6. #30

    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    It started right after the Super Bowl. The timeline is there. We all know why.
    can u find my thread of the draft before and after 2012





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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by JonAB View Post
    Lol jfc thats a bad take
    lol love reading your reactions!





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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerhater View Post
    Jimmy Smith was not a good 1st round talent. He can't stay healthy in any year. By the time you're at the end of the season or in the playoffs, he's already on IR. To me, he's a bust.
    Not in the Ravens Super Bowl championship season. remember this :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAqmABFfJUY

    ... Bc





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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Jimmy Smith a bust?

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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaRaven View Post
    I bet he and a number of folks here would wipe the floor with this FO drafting the past 5 years if we went back in the archives and looked at their mocks.
    Makes me wonder why they aren't working in NFL front offices right now.

    (not rhetorical or sarcastic, I genuinely want to know)





  11. #35

    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    The Ravens stopped drafting great players (which was part skill but also had a lot of luck involved) and started drafting good ones instead. Most classes are still pretty deep with solid contributors/starters, but the superstars are no longer there.

    It's hard to find any class this decade that would be in the bottom 1/4 of the league outside of 2015, but it's also hard to find any that would be in the top 1/4.





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    Re: When did player evaluations start to go south?

    Quote Originally Posted by GaTechRavens View Post
    Makes me wonder why they aren't working in NFL front offices right now.

    (not rhetorical or sarcastic, I genuinely want to know)
    They just don't know the right people I guess. Or perhaps they like their existing day jobs.





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