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01-03-2018, 11:19 AM #37Hall Of Fame Poster
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Isn’t this becoming the common theme at the end of every year with Harbs and the higher ups? Harbs wants to promote within but there is higher ups that don’t agree.
At what point is control taken away from this guy completely if they can’t trust his decisions on hiring guys?
He’s already taken the attitude and edge away from this team because he doesn’t want anyone else with a voice in the locker room.
Is Biscotti that in love with this asshole that he can’t fix the issue?
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01-03-2018, 11:21 AM #38
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I guess the question is did the scheme make the personnel overacheive? At the end of the day that's what you want.
IMO the rush offense utilized scheme to utilize its players well (Hurst was a great pulling guard and Howard is a mauler) that would conclude with the scheme making the personnel better.
What happened in the passing game though? IMO the design in the second half of the season, which was noticably more vertical, was a big improvement and put guys in a position to succeed, mostly the deep bombs to Wallace come to mind.
Still wasn't perfect, but it wasn't horrific. I think if you can actually add some pass catchers who can get separation and make guys miss and it could be much better next year."Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
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01-03-2018, 11:23 AM #39
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At what point does talent enter into it though? It's all well and good to fire the OC (and I'm not married to MM in any way.) But seriously -- in that Bengal game can you name me one offensive player besides Ronnie Stanley who would be starting for Pittsburgh? Our #1 WR (Wallace) would be lucky to see the field occasionally in 4-wide packages if he was a Steeler. Our line apart from Jensen and Stanley would not even be good enough to be backups on the Steelers. None of our TEs would be game-day actives for Pittsburgh.
The easiest thing to do is to fire the coach. But then you are starting all over AGAIN with a new OC. If Kubiak or Roman gets the gig, I'd be fine with it, because it is not a completely new system.
But consider this: a great many people on this board believe that one of Joe's shortcomings is his football IQ. Given that even really good QBs have down seasons when they change coordinators, how do you suppose it affects Joe to have a new offensive system to learn every freaking year?
The only coach that should go based solely on results is Bobby Engram. And I like Bobby Engram. But when all of your receivers consistently drop balls that hit them in the hands, that's a firable offense for a WR coach."Chin up, chest out."
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01-03-2018, 11:26 AM #40Four-eyed Raven
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The other thing worth thinking about is, I wonder what the Ravens brass talked about in the 2015-16 offseason. We were coming off of 5-11. We speculated back then that they discussed that there were a lot of problems with the roster, and it would be a 2-year rebuild.
What if, back then they discussed a 3-year rebuild?
2016 was the first year, this season was the second year. It makes sense when you look at the drafts. We brought in a shit-ton of players in 2016, which is something you do when you are rebuilding. In 2017 we brought in a shutdown corner + a lot of "infrastructure" guys (linebackers and guards and a core spec-teamer), which is also a core rebuild kind of draft.
If they discussed a 3-year rebuild at the '15-16 meeting, then competing for a playoff spot this season was a little ahead-of-schedule. This upcoming draft would deliver the offensive playmaker cherries on top, and NEXT season's team would be the contender. And Harbaugh isn't on the hot seat at all, because everything seems to be proceeding on schedule.
Am I crazy? Or is this possible?
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01-03-2018, 11:29 AM #41Four-eyed Raven
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01-03-2018, 11:30 AM #42
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"Cause if you ain’t pissed off for greatness, that just means you’re okay with being mediocre, and ain’t no man in here okay with just basic.”
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01-03-2018, 11:33 AM #44Four-eyed Raven
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Agreed. The thing is there are 3 plays that would have made us 12-4. (Weddle whiffing on the tackle vs Chicago, AB's long catch late in Pitt andof course, 4th and 12). So out of 2000 or so plays in a season, 3 made the difference between 9-7 and 12-4.
that's an oversimplification, but you get the idea. How far off is this team, really? People want to blow things up just to see what's behind door number 2, without having a clue what awaits. Change for the sake of change. As it is we're changing at DC and that might be enough. I thought there were too many breakdowns in the secondary, so we could look at the coaching there and the coaching at WR.
Other than finding a Flacco-Whisperer to stop Joe from throwing off his back foot or lazily sidearming to his second read instead of re-setting his feet (or buying a shock collar at Petco and having a coach hit the button everytime he does it) there aren't a lot of changes we really need IMHO. Team just didn't execute in some key moments. Otherwise we could have had a shot to at least have a serious run at making the AFCCG. That ain't bad. This team never looked like a SB contender, but it certainly doesn't look doomed either. Not even close.
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01-03-2018, 11:35 AM #46Veteran Poster
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If that is the case then this team should have began the rebuild last year, the cap purge should have been 2016. Here i though 2018 our cap situation was improving. This season they loaded up on defense and for what??? just to cut half the roster this year????
Yes, there need to be some heads chopped from the front office starting with who manages our salary cap.
Looks like Ryan Jensen will be an after thought.
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01-03-2018, 11:38 AM #47Four-eyed Raven
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I think they decided that Joe was finally healthy and moving better, so they stopped "protecting" him so much and put in longer routes and more guys in the pattern.
I think they were being prudently conservative in the first half of the season, because Flacco's back was brittle and he wasn't moving well. And maybe they kept up the "conservatism" 2 or 3 weeks longer than was strictly necessary – which is smart. Then on the bye week they all became fully convinced that Joe was fine.
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Marty turned that offense around in the second half. Big credit to him. Whoever we have in the FO that decides which WRs and TEs we draft should be kicked out of the room, and just let Marty pick who he thinks will fit his system. The man knows what he's doing. The Maclin signing made all the sense in the world because he'd had success in that offense before. I would expect more signings to fit his offense this offseason, at least i would hope, rather than letting the FO pick whatever "BPA" regardless of whether we can use him or not.
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