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  1. #289

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance



    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    If the team was good or at least exciting those seats would be more full. Of course they want to use the protests as a scapegoat. Fact is NFL attendance and ratings have been declining for some time as more people prefer to watch at home. I havent been to a game since 2014 and dont plan to.
    That's lame!

    Thousands who were there for the Browns game did not show up after the Ravens came back from London. Next, after the kneeling/"praying" stunt, thousands more dropped out. I know what my eyes tell me.

    Moreover, the Ravens front office has no-show survey data. Ivy Leaguers= Dick Cass knows a lot more about the impact of the protests on attendance than a prepubescent hiding behind a computer screen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    I havent been to a game since 2014 and dont plan to.
    Good! Fans like you are not needed at home games. Enjoy the protests, and the NFL's demise.
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  2. #290

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    That's lame!

    Thousands who were there for the Browns game did not show up after the Ravens came back from London. Next, after the kneeling/"praying" stunt, thousands more dropped out. I know what my eyes tell me.

    Moreover, the Ravens front office has no-show survey data. Ivy Leaguers= Dick Cass knows a lot more about the impact of the protests on attendance than a prepubescent hiding behind a computer screen.




    Good! Fans like you are not needed at home games. Enjoy the protests, and the NFL's demise.
    Ravens Home Attendance in 2016 (before protest): 568,000 - 12th in the NFL
    Ravens Home Attendance in 2017 (after protest): 564,000 - 12th in the NFL

    There's your complicated "Ivy League" data Mr. Sensitive. A very modest, almost negligible dip. The ideas expressed in Mr. Cass's letter are nothing more than another half-baked excuse for why the NFL's popularity has continued to stagnate. As for "what your eyes tell you", the Ravens attendance in Week 4 vs Pittsburgh was higher than Week 2 vs Cleveland. Sounds like you need a reality check. Along with all the others who continue to whine about the protest, which happened in September. Get over it!
    Last edited by Ravens Fan; 01-03-2018 at 04:39 AM.





  3. #291

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    Ravens Home Attendance in 2016 (before protest): 568,000 - 12th in the NFL
    Ravens Home Attendance in 2017 (after protest): 564,000 - 12th in the NFL

    There's your complicated "Ivy League" data Mr. Sensitive. A very modest, almost negligible dip. The ideas expressed in Mr. Cass's letter are nothing more than another half-baked excuse for why the NFL's popularity has continued to stagnate. As for "what your eyes tell you", the Ravens attendance in Week 4 vs Pittsburgh was higher than Week 2 vs Cleveland. Sounds like you need a reality check. Along with all the others who continue to whine about the protest, which happened in September. Get over it!
    I believe you are referring to ticket sales and not actual attendance. Thanks to psl's, ticket sales remained similar.





  4. #292

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by CarrollCoRaven View Post
    I believe you are referring to ticket sales and not actual attendance. Thanks to psl's, ticket sales remained similar.
    I got my number from the Baltimore Business Journal. They did a study on Ravens attendance this year. I haven't seen any real evidence attendance is significantly down this year, other than anecdotal. If you can show me stats that say otherwise be my guest. I'm not buying this crap about protests. Doesn't it make more sense that people would want to avoid the ridiculous costs of parking/concessions/tickets, the leagues poor response to domestic violence and concussions, or the fact that the commissioner is a complete idiot? They want people to think its because of *kneeling*. Give me a break. Besides, the protests are over. Time to move on.

    You can get an HDTV for like 20 bucks nowadays. Why would anyone want to pay exorbitant amounts of money to stand around in the cold and not even be able to see the game?
    Last edited by Ravens Fan; 01-03-2018 at 10:57 AM.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    I haven't seen any real evidence attendance is significantly down this year, other than anecdotal. If you can show me stats that say otherwise be my guest. I have always felt like watching the games at home is better anyway. Besides, the protests are over. Time to move on.
    Totally anecdotal, but I was at the Thursday night game against Miami. Taking into account that it was a Thursday night game, which is tough as it is since most people work on Friday and/or have kids they need to get to school, I was surprised by how few were at the game. It very much resembled pre-season games. It was still a good crowd, but it certainly wasn't a packed house.
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  6. #294

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Totally anecdotal, but I was at the Thursday night game against Miami. Taking into account that it was a Thursday night game, which is tough as it is since most people work on Friday and/or have kids they need to get to school, I was surprised by how few were at the game. It very much resembled pre-season games. It was still a good crowd, but it certainly wasn't a packed house.
    I don't like the Thursday night games either. It waters down the product. And let it be known, I always stand for the flag. I jump out of my seat and salute every time I see yellow on the field. I am not one to disrespect the honor of the NFL. I just think the whole "white conservatives don't like uppity black people" thing is a handy excuse for what would have happened with or without the protest. Football's popularity is stagnating and has been slowly trending down for a few years now. For example (although anecdotal) I remember a lot of people talking about the large number of Raiders and Redskins fans in our stadium during last years games.
    Last edited by Ravens Fan; 01-03-2018 at 10:58 AM.





  7. #295

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    I got my number from the Baltimore Business Journal. They did a study on Ravens attendance this year. I haven't seen any real evidence attendance is significantly down this year, other than anecdotal. If you can show me stats that say otherwise be my guest. I'm not buying this crap about protests. Doesn't it make more sense that people would want to avoid the ridiculous costs of parking/concessions/tickets, the leagues poor response to domestic violence and concussions, or the fact that the commissioner is a complete idiot? They want people to think its because of *kneeling*. Give me a break. Besides, the protests are over. Time to move on.

    You can get an HDTV for like 20 bucks nowadays. Why would anyone want to pay exorbitant amounts of money to stand around in the cold and not even be able to see the game?
    I believe there are many reasons for the attendance drop and you have listed many valid reasons. The kneeling is also a valid reason, but certainly not the only one. Sunday's attendance was glaring and very noticeable. My guess is 1/2 to 1/3 number of empty seats, for basically a playoff, must win game. This would have been unheard of just a couple of years ago. Certainly, the change of time to a 4:30 game on New Years Eve and the weather were huge factors in the many no shows. It will be interesting this off season, how many PSL's are either sold or just abandoned. The fans should be asked why they are selling or giving them up by the Ravens, sort of like an exit poll at an election. There is no doubt that the NFL has an attendance problem which is growing. Bringing back Roger Goodell was not an answer to the problem. He has been part of the problem and is not the solution.





  8. Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    For what it's worth...

    I recently joined a new team at my job and I spoke with 2 of my new team members today and the subject of the NFL was brought up...as it is the easiest "small talk" subject to talk about when meeting new work colleagues. One of the guys works in Gaithersburg, MD and the other in Asburn (sp?), VA. Both guys admitted to being diehard NFL fans their entire lives and both said that they refuse to watch NFL games anymore because of the protests and the way Goodell handled it. I didn''t know these 2 people existed until about 3 hours ago and they are in the "the protests ruined it" crowd. I wonder how many people feel the same way?

    Clearly, these are only 2 people, so it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot, but...it's relevant to this thread





  9. #297

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    For what it's worth...

    I recently joined a new team at my job and I spoke with 2 of my new team members today and the subject of the NFL was brought up...as it is the easiest "small talk" subject to talk about when meeting new work colleagues. One of the guys works in Gaithersburg, MD and the other in Asburn (sp?), VA. Both guys admitted to being diehard NFL fans their entire lives and both said that they refuse to watch NFL games anymore because of the protests and the way Goodell handled it. I didn''t know these 2 people existed until about 3 hours ago and they are in the "the protests ruined it" crowd. I wonder how many people feel the same way?

    Clearly, these are only 2 people, so it doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot, but...it's relevant to this thread
    Just as a reference...where these two people over 40?


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  10. #298

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens Fan View Post
    Ravens Home Attendance in 2016 (before protest): 568,000 - 12th in the NFL
    Ravens Home Attendance in 2017 (after protest): 564,000 - 12th in the NFL

    There's your complicated "Ivy League" data Mr. Sensitive. A very modest, almost negligible dip. The ideas expressed in Mr. Cass's letter are nothing more than another half-baked excuse for why the NFL's popularity has continued to stagnate. As for "what your eyes tell you", the Ravens attendance in Week 4 vs Pittsburgh was higher than Week 2 vs Cleveland. Sounds like you need a reality check. Along with all the others who continue to whine about the protest, which happened in September. Get over it!

    Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

    Have you ever heard of Mr. T's most famous line? It is "Pity the Fool".

    Those numbers are merely tickets sales - not attendance. Thay are based on season tickets of about 70,000 per game. That has absolutely nothing to do with attendance at the game. The Ravens and the NFL (which used to publish attendance figures) are embarrassed to cite these actual numbers. However, Cass acknowledges the obvious: there are many thousands of no-shows at each game; the number has climbed significantly since the players began disrespecting the American flag. Ravens games no-shows began creeping in during the injury-plagued 2015 season, then sharply accelerated after the kneeling incidents of the Jaguars and Steelers games.

    I attend every Ravens game and see the no-show factor each home game. I'm willing to bet that those who don't understand what no-shows are, and particularly why no-shows accelerated after the kneeling fiascos, don't attend games. If they did, they would see the empty seats which the liberal media TV networks hide from view.
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  11. #299

    Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

    Have you ever heard of Mr. T's most famous line? It is "Pity the Fool".

    Those numbers are merely tickets sales - not attendance. Thay are based on season tickets of about 70,000 per game. That has absolutely nothing to do with attendance at the game. The Ravens and the NFL (which used to publish attendance figures) are embarrassed to cite these actual numbers. However, Cass acknowledges the obvious: there are many thousands of no-shows at each game; the number has climbed significantly since the players began disrespecting the American flag. Ravens games no-shows began creeping in during the injury-plagued 2015 season, then sharply accelerated after the kneeling incidents of the Jaguars and Steelers games.

    I attend every Ravens game and see the no-show factor each home game. I'm willing to bet that those who don't understand what no-shows are, and particularly why no-shows accelerated after the kneeling fiascos, don't attend games. If they did, they would see the empty seats which the liberal media TV networks hide from view.
    You waste your breath, or fingers. I know how I felt and I know what I saw AFTER London. A lot of empty seats. I remember during Billick's worst season, when Boller was under center, that joint was rocking. Sure the demographics, experience, rules, HD TV al play a part; but I noticed a HUGE drop off of support for the NFL and the Ravens when the kneeling started. With my own eyes. Like overnight fans were pissed.

    People can argue point of protest, what it means, but at the end of the day, for every action there is a reaction and empty seats are the fruits of Social Justice Warriors taking a knee against their anthem. Most of them are sunning themselves somewhere warm on a beach, I imagine if I brought my social issues up to them on whatever white sand they paid to relax on I would be given the boot off the resort beach or 'escorted' away by their brute squad. Even if it is a public beach in America exercising my first amendment right. Point is, a player paid to relax not be preached to. Certainly not insulted, which many Americans were by their actions. I pay with my time and money to watch football. Not a bunch of overpaid SJW's insult my anthem.





  12. Re: Ravens admit protests hurt attendance

    Quote Originally Posted by Laxdad24 View Post
    Just as a reference...where these two people over 40?


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