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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations



    Quote Originally Posted by xmradiodave View Post
    Both the Ref and Rolle are black men. MEN. This is not a race issue, it is a respect issue. The refs in this league are like the gunslingers of the wild west. They get the last word all the time. If you fight with them, they put a few slugs in ya.

    Regardless of the accusations, our team needs to focus and learn to shrug off comments made by officials and by teams. Do not get a penalty(or multiple) based on emotion. I am sure this will be swept under the rug though. Nothing will come of it.
    I have been saying all season that the Ravens do entirely to much yapping. This is a prime example of the outcome of it, they get themselves so amped up that they are borderline out of control all the time then when something happens they go over the edge. This team, particularily the defense, lacks composure. I think other teams take delight in baiting them knowing they are always ready to go off. We are the second most penalized team in the NFL and while many of them are procedure type penalties many of them are just the kind of unnecessary idiocy we saw Monday night. This isn't the first time one of our players has had two major (15 yarders) penalties on the same damn play. IMO that is uncalled for and embarrasing.




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by AZRAVEN
    I have been saying all season that the Ravens do entirely to much yapping.
    No arguement here, but that still doesn't excuse the official's conduct. This wasn't a case of an opposing player trying to bait a Raven into doing something stupid, it was a ref!

    I am not condoning Bart's overreaction, but an NFL official should absolutely not be talking trash to a player on any team. Who do they think they are, major league umpires?




  3. Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    "The refs shouldn't talk to the players period"

    I think the whole rolle thing hints of whining since we lost, if we won would even hear about out??

    BUT i do agree that refs shouldnt be talking with players, if they are suppose to a neutral party and are getting into bantering back and forth, its hard to say the ref isnt going to be biased in some calls. if this "boy" comment came up once id be like, ok one time heat of the mement, but per rolle it continued.

    Refs should ignore players, if a player gets into them, you get a warning not a comment, the player does it again, warn him of ejection...still not a coment. With the whole nba refs thing it makes you wonder sometimes.
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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    No arguement here, but that still doesn't excuse the official's conduct. This wasn't a case of an opposing player trying to bait a Raven into doing something stupid, it was a ref!

    I am not condoning Bart's overreaction, but an NFL official should absolutely not be talking trash to a player on any team. Who do they think they are, major league umpires?
    I'm sorry, I didn't mean my response to indicate I felt it was an excuse for the official's conduct. It wasn't, there is no ecuse for any official to be jawing at and baiting players on any team. I will be interested to see if the no balls league will actually take any action against him. My bet is nothing happens.
    My comment was just a reflection of my feeling that the Ravens bring out the worst in everyone they share the field with because of their big mouths and arrogance - arrogance that has been pretty much unjustified all season until Monday night.




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by AZRAVEN View Post
    I think the league should deal with the offending referee, and yes, to a black man being called "boy" is derogatory and demeaning and should not be tolerated. That said, if our players want to be regarded as "men" then perhaps it would behoove them to act like men and not spoiled children. Bart Scott's behavior was just childish as was Ogden's tantrum on the sideline. They played a great game and could have enhanced their image as a team in this less than stellar season but instead they are carrying on like spoiled brats who had their favorite toy taken away. It makes them look and sound like poor losers who can't take responsibility for their failure to win the game. Personally, I'm sick of their antics, they are out of control IMO.
    Good post and I couldn't agree more......that being said, if he was called "boy" then you tell the coach and approach the head referee during a TV timeout and tell him that a derogatory term has been used towards one of your players by the specific referee. This makes it "official" and you go about your business of playing football! Rational human beings don't(shouldn't) act this way in public and they should act like men and handle it after the game in an official capacity.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    if he was called "boy" then you tell the coach and approach the head referee during a TV timeout and tell him that a derogatory term has been used towards one of your players by the specific referee. This makes it "official" and you go about your business of playing football! Rational human beings don't(shouldn't) act this way in public and they should act like men and handle it after the game in an official capacity.....
    Bingo!!!!!




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Thank god the ref was black otherwise Rev. Jesse and Sharpton would be all over his a$$.

    Plus I heard today that Rolle told him he never played football, etc but they said this ref did play in the NFL for a few different teams.
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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by AZRAVEN View Post
    While you are correct that calling anyone "boy" is offensive it is a particular insult to black men because of the history.
    Don't get me wrong, I was just saying that its offensive to all people. Yes there is history with the term as far as the African American population goes I was just making the point that its degrading to anyone.




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    Use of the word "boy" when addressing another man is demeaning, *particularly* to a black man, but it's just demeaning and obnoxious to anybody. I would even say it's a fighting word.

    It's a no-brainer. Any official who uses language like that when dealing with players should be fired. Mindful that, in the real world, stuff like that doesn't happen just because I say it's a no-brainer, disciplinary action will probably be behind closed doors.

    On a related matter, obviously the players are talking too much, and some (ahem, Bart) handled it poorly in-game. Hopefully they will get their stuff together in time for Indy.
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    I know we were penalized heavily for the flag tossing, but I could not help but laugh at it. It was so childish that I could not help but point and laugh.
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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    I agree that Bart "lost" control and acted very unprofessionally, even impacting our chances at the end of the game; but IMO, Bart, Somari, and the Ravens were fighting on two fronts.....

    The Patriots and the Refs!!

    The Ref saying what he did kinda shows this thought.

    We were punching the Patsies in the mouth, but the Refs were throwing verbal "sucker punches" and getting into the players heads, and that should NEVER happen like it did!!!




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by RavenDavey View Post
    I agree that Bart "lost" control and acted very unprofessionally, even impacting our chances at the end of the game; but IMO, Bart, Somari, and the Ravens were fighting on two fronts.....

    The Patriots and the Refs!!

    The Ref saying what he did kinda shows this thought.

    We were punching the Patsies in the mouth, but the Refs were throwing verbal "sucker punches" and getting into the players heads, and that should NEVER happen like it did!!!
    To a point I agree, however, we all know the Ravens are huge trash talkers. They yap like terriers the entire game and beyond, in truth, we don't know what they might have been saying to the officials that set them off either, I find it hard to believe our players were totally blameless. That is why the league needs to conduct an investigation into this incident and , for once, take appropriate action against the official if he was not provoked into saying what he did. In any case, he needs to receive some punishment for calling Rolle "boy".




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Read "A different perspective on the Rolle matter"

    I for one am getting pretty sick of every game being:

    (a) a loss
    (b) a big controversy about bad calls at the end
    (c) the refs are against us
    (d) Ravens melting down

    Every game seems to be like this - Cincinnati, San Diego, Pittsburgh, New England.....you watch, Indianapolis will be like this too (I sure hope it isn't).

    Why don't they just shut up and play, and WIN games.




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus
    Use of the word "boy" when addressing another man is demeaning, *particularly* to a black man, but it's just demeaning and obnoxious to anybody. I would even say it's a fighting word.
    festivus is right -- if for some crazy reason I called someone at work "boy" do you really think I would get away with that? And if someone called me "boy" in a demeaning manner, I sure wouldn't appreciate it.

    I don't care how old the ref was, I don't care if he played in the NFL at some point, and I don't care that he's African-American -- it's simply not defensiveable for an official to talk like that to a player.




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    Re: Samari Rolle's Accusations

    Quote Originally Posted by awalt View Post
    Read "A different perspective on the Rolle matter"

    I for one am getting pretty sick of every game being:

    (a) a loss
    (b) a big controversy about bad calls at the end
    (c) the refs are against us
    (d) Ravens melting down

    Every game seems to be like this - Cincinnati, San Diego, Pittsburgh, New England.....you watch, Indianapolis will be like this too (I sure hope it isn't).

    Why don't they just shut up and play, and WIN games.
    There are other threads about the game. This thread is about something else, which deserves its own thread.
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