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    American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL



    “There is a time and place for civil debate, and wearing team jerseys and using sporting events to disrespect our country doesn’t wash with millions of military veterans who have and continue to wear real uniforms on real battlefields around the globe,” said VFW leader and Vietnam War veteran Keith Harman

    “I stand for our flag and anthem, and I kneel for our fallen,” he said. “That’s what patriots do. We rally around the flag of our country, not use it and our Constitution as both shield and sword.”

    American Legion National Commander Denise Rohan called the NFL’s behavior “misguided and ungrateful.”

    “It wasn’t political when it was written and it shouldn’t be political today,” Rohan said. “Having a right to do something does not make it the right thing to do.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...ainst-nfl.html





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    This is pretty big news these are the two biggest veteran organizations in the united states.





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    I just don't get any of this anymore...the hypocrisy





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Whatevs. I never thought much of these organizations, and I think less of them now.
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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    Whatevs. I never thought much of these organizations, and I think less of them now.
    HAHAHA. They aren't lining up with your opinion are they?

    It's disrespectful anyway you look at it.





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    HAHAHA. They aren't lining up with your opinion are they?

    It's disrespectful anyway you look at it.
    Look I respect those who aren't bothered by it whether they be veterans or otherwise but it bothers me and it bothers many of my friends. It bothers my dad and it would bother my grandfather.

    It's just amazing to me most of their responses is well f them. Well then f you too I guess. I'm sure this protest is changing a ton of minds about whatever issue they took a knee for





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmaniac4life View Post
    HAHAHA. They aren't lining up with your opinion are they?

    It's disrespectful anyway you look at it.
    *sigh*

    Try not to laugh at what you don't understand.

    Vets, non-vets can feel however they feel, but vets are generally supposed to know better; and vets claiming to represent hundreds of thousands, should definitely know better.

    Telling any US citizen 1)how and when to exercise his/her 1A rights, and 2) hypocritically, deciding what constitutes disrespect in the context of "the anthem" and "the flag", is false-patriotism.

    Throughout any of our lifetimes, the flag and anthem have been constantly disrespected in America, and nary a peep from the so-called "patriot" crowd.

    This country is so full of isht right now...smh.
    "The Ravens are not taking Jimmy Smith at 26!" -- Me, the day before the 2011 Draft

    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the 2015 Draft

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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    *sigh*

    Try not to laugh at what you don't understand.

    Vets, non-vets can feel however they feel, but vets are generally supposed to know better; and vets claiming to represent hundreds of thousands, should definitely know better.

    Telling any US citizen 1)how and when to exercise his/her 1A rights, and 2) hypocritically, deciding what constitutes disrespect in the context of "the anthem" and "the flag", is false-patriotism.

    Throughout any of our lifetimes, the flag and anthem have been constantly disrespected in America, and nary a peep from the so-called "patriot" crowd.

    This country is so full of isht right now...smh.
    My guess would be that was because it wasn't front in center plastered across all of our tv screens on the most watched thing in America.

    Also I think it's because people are not directly protesting the flag/anthem, but using the flag/anthem as a time to protest. IMO, I don't think that's necessarily disrespectful, but it's at least insensitive.
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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post

    Throughout any of our lifetimes, the flag and anthem have been constantly disrespected in America, and nary a peep from the so-called "patriot" crowd.
    Yeah, I'm calling BS on this statement. The 'patriot crowd' has always defended the flag. It's not some new thing. The primary cases I recall of disrespecting the flag involved flag burning. There was a huge outcry against. Heck there were even calls for a law against it. So let's not act like the 'patriot crowd' is somehow new, or somehow just deciding to go after these NFL players.





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by blah3 View Post
    Yeah, I'm calling BS on this statement. The 'patriot crowd' has always defended the flag. It's not some new thing. The primary cases I recall of disrespecting the flag involved flag burning. There was a huge outcry against. Heck there were even calls for a law against it. So let's not act like the 'patriot crowd' is somehow new, or somehow just deciding to go after these NFL players.


    1) Once again, burning the flag, which I don't particularly like, is a free expression protected by 1A. The SC has ruled as such, thus nullifying silly local laws against free expression. So while defending the flag in such instances may fill one with patriotic ferver (and I get that), such folks are also freely choosing to completely ignore 1A.

    2) I'm pretty sure the 'patriot crowd'--as a mass--hasn't ever had anything to say about the millions of merchants that use the flag and snippets of the anthem to make a buck. Where have they been in our lifetimes?
    "The Ravens are not taking Jimmy Smith at 26!" -- Me, the day before the 2011 Draft

    "On their way to the podium, the Ravens FO is going to collectively step over my dead body and select...Breshad Perriman." -- Me, the day before the 2015 Draft

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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    1) Once again, burning the flag, which I don't particularly like, is a free expression protected by 1A. The SC has ruled as such, thus nullifying silly local laws against free expression. So while defending the flag in such instances may fill one with patriotic ferver (and I get that), such folks are also freely choosing to completely ignore 1A.

    2) I'm pretty sure the 'patriot crowd'--as a mass--hasn't ever had anything to say about the millions of merchants that use the flag and snippets of the anthem to make a buck. Where have they been in our lifetimes?
    No one has argued kneeling or burning doesn't fall under protected speech under 1A. However, it doesn't make it right. That patriot crowd has been around a long time and didn't care for/opposed strongly disrespecting the flag/anthem. It's not new to this situation.





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    Re: American Legion and Veterans of foreign wars condemn the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver View Post
    1) Once again, burning the flag, which I don't particularly like, is a free expression protected by 1A. The SC has ruled as such, thus nullifying silly local laws against free expression. So while defending the flag in such instances may fill one with patriotic ferver (and I get that), such folks are also freely choosing to completely ignore 1A.

    2) I'm pretty sure the 'patriot crowd'--as a mass--hasn't ever had anything to say about the millions of merchants that use the flag and snippets of the anthem to make a buck. Where have they been in our lifetimes?
    So you don't particularly like the burning of the flag? So you yourself have a standard as to what you think is respectful to the flag and what isn't?

    Yet you think others shouldn't be upset that players are protesting during the anthem?
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