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    The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick



    I though ClericBlackDave had a great post in the Kaepernick Football Thread and wanted to use it as the basis for creating this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave
    Just catching up. First off, we need both some lessons in basic civics and some history classes.

    First off, don't throw around the work Traitor and Treason lightly. Kaepernick is not a traitor nor has he committed treason. When you misuse words like that because you are parroting what you heard someone else say on shock radio or am message board something, you water down the meaning of said words and end up on the end of a broken / deceiving thought process.

    Treason - the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. Kaep's protest, which is protected by perhaps the most important part of the constitution, the supreme law of the land - is NOT TREASON.

    Protesting the Vietnam War was not treason. The Civil Rights movement was not treason. Protests against the effort to take away this healthcare are not treason.


    Secondly, what I see a lot on this issue regarding Kaep is blind nationalism. The kind of thing that actually lead to fascism (and we're getting close as a country).

    There were those who probably called MLK a traitor. That didn't like the way he went about his protest. Those that called protesting the Vietnam war Treason. And again, they were both misusing / overusing the words, and really just falling victim to blind nationalism.


    Nationalism is different that Patriotism. Patriotism is a love of your country, but it isn't blind. You believe in your country, and want it to be the best it can be. And you're willing to take said actions to move the needle and change its direction, when needed.


    People hated Muhammad Ali when he didn't serve in a war he felt was immoral and unjust, and protested. They didn't like Jackie Robinson. I'm not saying Kaep is either of those athletes. I'm saying that standing up for what you believe in . . . making a perhaps valid critique of ones country . . . is NOT treason. Nor is it even necessarily a lack of Patriotism.


    I think about what the Unions did striking and protesting to get the 40 hour work week. The 2 day weekend. Workers rights. Ending child labor. Fair wages. All of that struggle wasn't popular.


    I'm not even saying anyone has to like Kaep or what he's saying. I'm saying look at the Constitution, and respect that its his right, and its the first right in the Bill of Rights because its very important. It was very important to the founders. It's a part of what makes us great, and what we all should be trying to protect.
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    Re: The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick

    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I though ClericBlackDave had a great post in the Kaepernick Football Thread and wanted to use it as the basis for creating this thread.
    Dope





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    Re: The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick

    As I've said before, as a vet, I don't particularly care that Kaepernick chose to sit or kneel for the anthem. Doesn't really bother me.

    Related, but not that relevant, of an anecdote...

    I was talking to my wife last night and she was telling me about how two of her colleagues are naming their kids names that can have "gender neutral" nicknames like "Chris" or "Nikki"...etc. It kind of got me thinking and I just cannot understand how we, as a society, have gotten to the point where we have to worry about our kid's names possibly being offensive because they're gender-specific.

    Similar to Kaepernick's chosen method of protest, I don't get why their kid's names have to be considered for what is/isnt offensive. Anyone that is offended by Kaepernick's method of protest is directly choosing to be offended. He's not asking you or anyone else to do it. He's not even asking you or anyone else to agree with him. It's only offensive if you let it be offensive. I don't choose to sit or kneel for the anthem. I served. I support good LEO officers and departments. His protest has ZERO impact on me.

    I'm not offended by it and no one else should be offended by it either.

    I do admit that I think his choice to wear "pigs" socks at practice and do interviews wearing a Che Guervara tee shirt were childish, immature, and shows his mentality. But again, not offended by it.

    The media wants you to be offended and divisive, one way or the other. That's what they want. The media, in many ways, is akin to a predator or a militaristic entity conducting psychological warfare. If we, as a nation, stopped getting offended by every, little, fucking minute thing...most of this crap would just go away.
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    Re: The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick

    I'm with Wicked almost word for word. I personally don't get it.

    The most ironic thing I've found is that people are saying he's shitting on America yet he's invoking one of the biggest pieces of American pride (from what I've observed) which is the constitution.

    If Kap was making a statement that was outlandish and ridiculous and doing it the way he was I'd understand it. But he has some legitimate claims in regards to systematic racism and treatment by law enforcement.

    He's clearly read a lot of Angela Davis, which is scholarly writing on how the prison became an extension of slavery. I encourage you guys to read some of her work. It's very in line with Kap.

    If this was coming from some stupid opinion like the Westboro Baptist Church have when the invoke their right to expression (whcih is pure hate) then I would get it. But this is legitimate criticsms and the man is entitled to his opinion just like you are to either like or not like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    I'm with Wicked almost word for word. I personally don't get it.

    The most ironic thing I've found is that people are saying he's shitting on America yet he's invoking one of the biggest pieces of American pride (from what I've observed) which is the constitution.

    If Kap was making a statement that was outlandish and ridiculous and doing it the way he was I'd understand it. But he has some legitimate claims in regards to systematic racism and treatment by law enforcement.

    He's clearly read a lot of Angela Davis, which is scholarly writing on how the prison became an extension of slavery. I encourage you guys to read some of her work. It's very in line with Kap.

    If this was coming from some stupid opinion like the Westboro Baptist Church have when the invoke their right to expression (whcih is pure hate) then I would get it. But this is legitimate criticsms and the man is entitled to his opinion just like you are to either like or not like it.

    Personally, I use sports to get away from real life. I dont give a fuck who's on my team. I just want to win on Sunday.
    Agree.

    Our country is literally built on protesting.

    Kaep can protest for anything he wants. Protests are meant to draw attention. How you react is up to each individual.

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    Re: The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    Agree.

    Our country is literally built on protesting.

    Kaep can protest for anything he wants. Protests are meant to draw attention. How you react is up to each individual.

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    Not only was this country built on protesting, but it was built on protesting that most today would deem 'Not the best way to go about it'.

    I've spoken to servicemen from various agencies in Law Enforcement and the Military. I've only met one guy who didn't like sitting/kneeling for the anthem. However, it didn't bother him to the point that he was going to boycott games and crucify a man whose never committed a crime in his life. He also talked about the black gloves during the Olympics. While he didn't so much care for that either, he acknowledged that their cause likely would not have garnered nearly the same attention if it was done differently. The mission was accomplished.

    I'm with Wicked, as a former Law Enforcement Officer, I felt that the socks were ignorant, feeding into the media baiting and unfitting of someone claiming to make change. However, someone like Kaepernick, although he needs to touch up on his history, is someone who can make a difference if the right mentors get their arms around him. Compared to someone whose raped and murdered in cold blood or beat the shit out of their women. Kaepernick can be molded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    Not only was this country built on protesting, but it was built on protesting that most today would deem 'Not the best way to go about it'.

    I've spoken to servicemen from various agencies in Law Enforcement and the Military. I've only met one guy who didn't like sitting/kneeling for the anthem. However, it didn't bother him to the point that he was going to boycott games and crucify a man whose never committed a crime in his life. He also talked about the black gloves during the Olympics. While he didn't so much care for that either, he acknowledged that their cause likely would not have garnered nearly the same attention if it was done differently. The mission was accomplished.

    I'm with Wicked, as a former Law Enforcement Officer, I felt that the socks were ignorant, feeding into the media baiting and unfitting of someone claiming to make change. However, someone like Kaepernick, although he needs to touch up on his history, is someone who can make a difference if the right mentors get their arms around him. Compared to someone whose raped and murdered in cold blood or beat the shit out of their women. Kaepernick can be molded.
    Then he should apologize. Forget about the National Anthem, though that's another reason to bash the guy, and focus just on the socks and praising Castro. Actually, let's just focus on him praising Castro. The asinine crap he spewed in that interview is more than enough for me to boo him.

    If he would just come out and say, "Hey guys, I got some bad pussy and it messed with my head. Sorry", then I'd be fine with him being a Raven. As it stands, I'm not for a list of reasons.
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    Re: The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Then he should apologize. Forget about the National Anthem, though that's another reason to bash the guy, and focus just on the socks and praising Castro. Actually, let's just focus on him praising Castro. The asinine crap he spewed in that interview is more than enough for me to boo him.

    If he would just come out and say, "Hey guys, I got some bad pussy and it messed with my head. Sorry", then I'd be fine with him being a Raven. As it stands, I'm not for a list of reasons.
    Why the hell am I going to focus on the man's socks? I don't have time to focus on everyone's socks. They're socks! The media telling us they are important, doesn't make them important. They're socks for Christ's sake! Now I see what Wicked is talking about. Is this what we've come to? "Focus just on the socks"?! I saw the socks, the socks sucked. He stopped wearing the socks and acknowledged that he did respect the armed forces and initially went about things the wrong way.

    But Socks?
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    Re: The Politics Surrounding Collin Kaepernick

    I think Bisciotti is very concerned about the politics surrounding this player though. It's pretty evident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I think Bisciotti is very concerned about the politics surrounding this player though. It's pretty evident.
    Yeah. Too bad because it seems like from a football perspective they all agree

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    Great perspective in this post!





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    Here are a couple observations of mine:

    1. Yes, America allows for protest, but it does not necessarily protect the consequences of it. If fans don't like their team signing Kaepernick, they in turn can boycott the team. The NFL should allow its players to protest because of the anti-trust violations it makes.

    2. I find it hilarious when Baltimoreans complain about Kaepernick. This is a town that yells "O" during the National Anthem. Talk about another form of disrespect.





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