John McCain's Senate Speech

**blah3** · 07-28-2017, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by pyite32

Well I got to give it to him, McCain did the right thing and used his vote to match his words

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McCain voted to glorify McCain.

**blah3** · 07-28-2017, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Take the time and create a bill that makes sense. Get some bipartisan agreement. Then, pass a better bill.

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There is not a chance in hell 'bi partisan support' is gonna happen. None.

**wickedsolo** · 07-28-2017, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by blah3

There is not a chance in hell 'bi partisan support' is gonna happen. None.

I think there are enough Dems that would agree to amendments to the existing bill. Considering the GOP basically just tried to pass a watered down version of the ACA, I see no reason why they cant propose amendments rather than trying to rewrite healthcare.

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**Dirt1** · 07-29-2017, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think there are enough Dems that would agree to amendments to the existing bill. Considering the GOP basically just tried to pass a watered down version of the ACA, I see no reason why they cant propose amendments rather than trying to rewrite healthcare.

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The Democrats are never going to agree to anything that could be called a repeal of the ACA. However, if the Republicans gave up on the notion of repealing the ACA, then the Democrats would work with them to fix some of the problems with it.

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**Baltravens** · 07-29-2017, 11:31 AM

I want to thank John McCain for his intelligent vote and desire to work on improving the government healthcare. I love to death when McConnell looses. I took a job a long while ago in his home state of Kentucky and basically saw why he has kept his seat for so long. Like an educated Kentuckian I worked with said, "Kentucky and West Virginia are backwoods states. We are in the backwoods, that is why these types of leaders stay." Lastly, it is important to note that a state like KY only has a population of 4 million.

Politics = BS.

**wickedsolo** · 07-29-2017, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by The Excellector

Better than the damned insurance companies.

I can't agree with that.

The VA is one of the most dysfunctional organizations in the government and corruption is a major problem.

If the US Government can't even figure out how to run the VA, how can we possibly expect them to effectively organize and run nationalized healthcare?

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**The Excellector** · 07-29-2017, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I can't agree with that.

The VA is one of the most dysfunctional organizations in the government and corruption is a major problem.

If the US Government can't even figure out how to run the VA, how can we possibly expect them to effectively organize and run nationalized healthcare?

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I have the same issues with IWIF.

**Chuck Williams** · 07-30-2017, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ravens Fan

What about single payer? When implemented correctly that seems to be the best option. I would support that in a heart beat

There are many reason why a single payer healthcare system would not work in the U.S.:

1. Obesity is a major problem not seen in other developed nations to the extent that it is in the U.S. For the government to pay for those fat fucks is super expensive.

2. We lag behind the developed world when it comes to Euthanasia.

3. Other developed have panels to determine if someone's life should be sustainable or not (i.e. Great Britain with Charlie Gard).

4. Medical tort is nonexistent in most developed nations. If the doctor fucks up, you're screwed. In America, the government would be getting sued out the ass.

5. We spend way more in nursing home care. Part of that is due to a lack of euthanasia. Another part of it is that the developed world elsewhere provides a bed, some meals and that's it.

**Ortizer** · 07-31-2017, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Chuck Williams

There are many reason why a single payer healthcare system would not work in the U.S.:

1. Obesity is a major problem not seen in other developed nations to the extent that it is in the U.S. For the government to pay for those fat fucks is super expensive.

2. We lag behind the developed world when it comes to Euthanasia.

3. Other developed have panels to determine if someone's life should be sustainable or not (i.e. Great Britain with Charlie Gard).

4. Medical tort is nonexistent in most developed nations. If the doctor fucks up, you're screwed. In America, the government would be getting sued out the ass.

5. We spend way more in nursing home care. Part of that is due to a lack of euthanasia. Another part of it is that the developed world elsewhere provides a bed, some meals and that's it.

To be fair, there's a strong correlation between government dietary recommendations and obesity, so maybe being on the hook would encourage them to actually pay attention to the research instead of the sugar industry.

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