This Mob Mentality against Law Enforcement is getting on my nerves.

**The Excellector** · 07-12-2017, 12:44 PM

It's as if people of today's society are sheep. Mindless sheep. Beneath all of this race baiting, they have no idea what's going on. More and more Law Enforcement Officers are retiring early. More and more college students are bypassing Law Enforcement for safer jobs. Current Law Enforcement Officers are being stretched to the max. They don't have enough people to fill the positions, because qualified people don't want the jobs. So, they start lowering the required qualifications, to get more bodies in there. If it hasn't become an issue yet, which, I think it has, it will become an issue in the future. The issue being unqualified Officers making worse mistakes. Furthermore, what people also don't realize is that, while they are busy protesting in masses before going home to get into their comfortable bed at night and watch their favorite show, gangs are identifying specific members to send to apply.

Very soon, there won't be any Law Enforcement. Then, everyone will be complaining about why no one wants to step up. Those that do, are going to make far worse mistakes than what we see now.

Many of us here have worn a uniform of some sort. Military, Police, Corrections, we know what the job is really like. We understand that there are indeed some bad apples that need to be tossed from the barrel. However, we also understand that no one could possibly understand the true rigors of the job until they put that uniform on.

**usmccharles** · 07-13-2017, 03:37 AM

Today's society has been plagued by social media and everyone thinking they are special, entitled, deserve something without putting the work in. People are so scared to voice their own opinion on the fear of being called racist, regardless if its the truth or not. What ever happened to a cop shooting someone because they posed a threat to society? Now, it is: what color was he?

Remember the occupy wall street joke? All these kids out there complaining about big corporations and what not, while they're sitting there using their iphones to record and take selfies of them protesting, just so they can "be apart of it."

When did people stop respecting cops? Because they saw a video on Facebook that was 2minutes long that told one side of the story? Therefore all cops are bad right?

I will be 32 next month which technically puts me in this younger generation of entitlement and 14th place trophies, but I highly disagree with that sentiment, nor was I raised that way. So when I say, "these kids these days," I honestly feel I can say that and have an opinion worth giving on the age-gap since I am straight in the middle of it. Somehow as we evolve, common sense seems to get kicked further down the road and reality shows along with protesting in the middle of the street because I feel like I should of been born a dog rather than a human, how dare you assume my species? is that whats next? im done.

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 07-13-2017, 08:24 AM

So here's my take on commenting on the actions of law enforcement.

I studied criminology with the intent of becoming a law enforcement officer. I worked at CBSA for a summer so I got to work in that environment.

However, I got offered a cushy desk job that I could do my 35 years and retire with a solid pension so I took it.

So what are my thoughts on law enforcement? I honestly don't have much to say. I don't know what it's like to be an officer and I'm not going to pretend my summer at CBSA gives me the qualifications to understand that environment.

It drives me up the wall when I see people commenting in the media, particularly social media about anything in regards to law enforcement (be it the border, policing, corrections, etc.) when they don't have a god damn clue what it's like to wear the badge and do the job.

Now, I know what you might be thinking - free speech, everyone's entitled to their opinion, etc. That may be true and I'm not attempting to say someone can't have an opinion, but seriously they do it with so much self-righteousness and quite frankly don't have a god damn clue what they're talking about. You know why they compare opinions to assholes - everyone has one and sometimes they're shitty. Couldn't be more true on this topic.

So yes I do have opinions and if I see a video I will decide how I feel about it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to take to social media and rip/defend x and y. I mostly don't do that because I find my opinion just isn't that strong. Of course I'll feel a certain way, but I'd be lying if I said I understood the situation fully because I dont' have that experience being an officer. And I think it matters a hell of a lot. We have no idea what these men and women have seen and what they deal with on a day to day basis. We see a 30 second clip that doesn't have a whole lot of context to it. Now, obvioulsy some are very extreme, but those are a very few amount of incidents. However the media shares them and I think they become "the norm" from civilians. I'm sure there are also incidents that don't make their way into the media, so it goes both ways.

I just can't stand social media on these types of topics. Just a lot of people who don't have a god damn clue.

**Jsmoove** · 07-13-2017, 09:12 AM

fuck the police

**TTRaven** · 07-14-2017, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

fuck the police

A good friend of mine joined the Baltimore City police after retiring from the Marines. He was placed on a small drug/gang task force in east Baltimore. One night he and his 2 partner pulled over a suspicious vehicle. Drugs were found in the vehicle. My friend was handcuffing the back passenger when the driver attacked his partner. My friend rushed over to assist the other officer. The driver pulled out a gun and shot my friend in the face at point blank range. He somehow managed to return fire killing the suspect. It's a miracle that my friend is still here.

I get that maybe you've had/seen negative interactions with police. But when you say "fuck the police" you're demonizing every single police officer. Which is extremely offensive to the 90% of cops that actually do their job the right way.

Still I can understand your frustration. As there are some pretty awful people on the police force. And those awful people make it much harder for the good cops to do their job because of the negative view they've created.

**Baltravens** · 07-16-2017, 07:14 PM

Working in a related field now, and having worked as an investigator before with military lineage, where I live to quell the riff raff I support doubling the law enforcement in a neighboring county which has now over 1 million residents, and building another jail there.

I know how to get respect and compliance quickly, and I support law enforcement 100%. Our country has changed for the worse over the last 50 years. With the large drop off in ethics, too, I will be building a house before I retire which will be away from how sad/shameful our country has become. (I want to be living in a community where NOT EVERYTHING GOES. Unfortunately, our Constitution can be shown to support almost every kind of behavior, not including that which violates our criminal laws.)

**usmccharles** · 07-17-2017, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by TTRaven

I get that maybe you've had/seen negative interactions with police. But when you say "fuck the police" you're demonizing every single police officer. Which is extremely offensive to the 90% of cops that actually do their job the right way.

Still I can understand your frustration. As there are some pretty awful people on the police force. And those awful people make it much harder for the good cops to do their job because of the negative view they've created.

I too get some people's frustration, but demonizing all for a small percentage of a groups actions is just irresponsible. How many good cops do something nice for a civilian that get zero coverage but the second a cop does something that can be construed as bad, with zero context, its covered by everyone and reposted on facebook. Being a Marine I had to deal with this, believe or not, a decent amount of civilians don't hold us that highly, (shocking I know) but I learned to ignore those ignorant people, life got better.

Originally Posted by Baltravens

I know how to get respect and compliance quickly, and I support law enforcement 100%. Our country has changed for the worse over the last 50 years. With the large drop off in ethics, too, I will be building a house before I retire which will be away from how sad/shameful our country has become. (I want to be living in a community where NOT EVERYTHING GOES. Unfortunately, our Constitution can be shown to support almost every kind of behavior, not including that which violates our criminal laws.)

That's a hard statement to justify in a certain context. Because over the last 50 years this country has made progress giving more people rights and trying to be more considerate of others 'feelings', sometimes to a fault in my opinion. I get what you're saying, but I don't think its that cut and dry. I honestly put most of the blame on social media.

**blah3** · 07-17-2017, 01:40 PM

IMO, I think a lot of the disrespect comes from victim mentality. It's been quite a while that we've been telling people it's not your fault, you're a victim. That breeds contempt against people telling you what to do (cops during a stop/interaction for example).
Now many cops are arrogant SOB's. That doesn't mean they are bad at their job. There are very few cops out there trying to screw people over IMO. But because they live in a split second life or death world, they need to be forceful (coming off as or being arrogant) and make decisions quickly and for their and others safety. So, yes it may suck you're stopped because you look like a suspect in a crime you didn't commit, but I'm giving a very large benefit of doubt to the cop risking his life in his job. Even if his life is not at risk while stopping you (he doesn't know that).
Plus the vast majority of shooting/killings by cops could be avoided it the person simply did what the cop asked.

**Baltravens** · 07-18-2017, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by usmccharles

I too get some people's frustration, but demonizing all for a small percentage of a groups actions is just irresponsible. How many good cops do something nice for a civilian that get zero coverage but the second a cop does something that can be construed as bad, with zero context, its covered by everyone and reposted on facebook. Being a Marine I had to deal with this, believe or not, a decent amount of civilians don't hold us that highly, (shocking I know) but I learned to ignore those ignorant people, life got better.

That's a hard statement to justify in a certain context. Because over the last 50 years this country has made progress giving more people rights and trying to be more considerate of others 'feelings', sometimes to a fault in my opinion. I get what you're saying, but I don't think its that cut and dry. I honestly put most of the blame on social media.

I look at it this way as a cut-and-dry person. So many Americans demand and want to make what position they support as a right. Rights, rights, rights. I am not a big supporter of that concept. What is taught in American schools is that one's rights only go so far until they infringe on another person's rights. That is what I espouse.

As a country with about 350 million, where would we be if everyone had his/her way?

**wickedsolo** · 07-13-2017, 01:08 PM

I wish the good police would band together against the shit heads. I think that would go a long way.

However, the big issue I see lies more with Democrat politicians and the mainstream media. They're using police as whipping boys and girls for votes and social policy. It's pretty disgusting.

**wickedsolo** · 07-13-2017, 01:20 PM

**Everything_Ravens** · 07-13-2017, 02:22 PM

I thought that I was going to open this thread up and see a bunch of ignorant shit. So far there have been some reasonable points made. hopefully I can introduce a different perspective.

I personally don't have a lot of sympathy for the police but Im biased and i say that because of my own personal experiences with them. I served over 10 years in the military, and to come home on leave in civilian attire and be treated the way that i have been over the years has been a wake up call to say the least.

If you haven't experienced being detained for fitting the description or being questioned on the legitimacy of the source of income that allows you to be driving the car that you are operating, then I don't expect you to understand. But what I'm confused by in reading most of the post in this thread is this idea that the entire police force is being demonized. I think the overwhelming majority of criticism for police is always done with the caveat, that it's not all cops and most of them are doing honest work.