"31-33" since 2012

[rhapsody]

bt is correct. Ozzie has done a good job remaking the old team which won the SB. Not Flacco's contract, but four unforeseen disasters really set us back:

Ray Rice
Dennis Pitta
Will Hill
Eugene Monroe

If any two of those disasters don't happen, we would have performed markedly better and would be stronger now.

In spite of the ongoing rebuild, we nearly made the SB in 2014. We had disastrous injuries in 2015. As bt pointed out, Flacco's cap hit from 2013-2016 had little to do with our problems.

We have a good roster which may become a very strong team in 2017.

[Ravenstatsman]

bt is correct. Ozzie has done a good job remaking the old team which won the SB. Not Flacco's contract, but four unforeseen disasters really set us back:

Ray Rice
Dennis Pitta
Will Hill
Eugene Monroe

If any two of those disasters don't happen, we would have performed markedly better and would be stronger now.

In spite of the ongoing rebuild, we nearly made the SB in 2014. We had disastrous injuries in 2015. As bt pointed out, Flacco's cap hit from 2013-2016 had little to do with our problems.

We have a good roster which may become a very strong team in 2017.

I agree but I can't consider Will Hill a disaster, pretty much everyone knew he was a ticking time bomb. The Ravens got the most out of him they could, but his career ended predictably.

[The Excellector]

BT is right and GOTA added to it. Ozzie signs who he wants to sign. He knows what guys are going to get on the market. Ozzie has his price. It's all about who he values.

[CopRaven]

NE chose not to pay Collins or Jones.

AZ chose not to pay Jefferson.

Just a few examples.

Free agency wouldn't exist if teams could retain everyone

I'm saying at least from 2013-2015, cap hits of $6.8, $14.8 and $14.55 had little impact on team building and the record

Yeah, that's why I specifically said we wouldn't have retained everyone.

In terms of the 2013 and 2014 teams, I agree that his contract had little (actually, none) impact. IMO, 2015 is when his contract started having ang impact. I realize his cap number was still pretty low in 2015, but they certainly had his future cap numbers in mind when they chose to let Torrey and McPhee go after the 2014 season.

[CopRaven]

It was apparent after 2012 that the defense was due for a step back. The defense had been mediocre that year and all the star players from the 2011 defense (Ray, Ed, Suggs, Ngata, Webb) were all either gone, old or coming off injury.

I thought the 2012 playoffs offense was a sign of what to come, but holy crap were we hit hard by bad luck after that.

[GOTA]

It was apparent after 2012 that the defense was due for a step back. The defense had been mediocre that year and all the star players from the 2011 defense (Ray, Ed, Suggs, Ngata, Webb) were all either gone, old or coming off injury.

I thought the 2012 playoffs offense was a sign of what to come, but holy crap were we hit hard by bad luck after that.

Getting rid of Bolding wasn't bad luck. It was bad judgement. It's still stunning that Ozzie would screw up an offense that was completely humming in the playoffs.

[The Excellector]

As many issues as the offense had in 2013, with Boldin, they would have still made the playoffs.

[Section146]

Getting rid of Bolding wasn't bad luck. It was bad judgement. It's still stunning that Ozzie would screw up an offense that was completely humming in the playoffs.

Don't forget that with that #199 they got for Boldin, they were able to trade the #62, #165, and #199 to move up to #56 and draft Arthur Brown. "Bad judgement" and "stunning" might really be putting it lightly for a sequence that lost the team's best pass-catcher, only saved a few mill, and ended up with Arthur Brown.

[Ortizer]

Yeah, that's why I specifically said we wouldn't have retained everyone.

In terms of the 2013 and 2014 teams, I agree that his contract had little (actually, none) impact. IMO, 2015 is when his contract started having ang impact. I realize his cap number was still pretty low in 2015, but they certainly had his future cap numbers in mind when they chose to let Torrey and McPhee go after the 2014 season.

They offered Torrey a contract though. Ozzie clearly thought the 49ers overpaid.

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[The Excellector]

They offered Torrey a contract though. Ozzie clearly thought the 49ers overpaid.

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Which they did.

[Terpsfan82]

Don't forget that with that #199 they got for Boldin, they were able to trade the #62, #165, and #199 to move up to #56 and draft Arthur Brown. "Bad judgement" and "stunning" might really be putting it lightly for a sequence that lost the team's best pass-catcher, only saved a few mill, and ended up with Arthur Brown.

Please don't remind me. I got pissed all over again.

[arnie_uk]

Yeah, that's why I specifically said we wouldn't have retained everyone.

In terms of the 2013 and 2014 teams, I agree that his contract had little (actually, none) impact. IMO, 2015 is when his contract started having ang impact. I realize his cap number was still pretty low in 2015, but they certainly had his future cap numbers in mind when they chose to let Torrey and McPhee go after the 2014 season.

They didnt choose to let torrey go. He went elsewhere for an extra mil or two and washed out.