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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense



    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    By that logic, the Ravens should have never drafted Flacco, because of the bad picks they've had at QB.
    There is always an exception to a rule, which this isn't exactly a rule, its just a formula. You don't need WRs of great caliber to win, I get what your saying, but that's an exception, or at least in my opinion.





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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    Yeah avoiding drafting a WR becuase they're not good at it seems like a poor choice UNLESS you chose to put FA money towards it instead.

    I.E. We draft NT's very well. We don't draft WR's well. So give Alshon Jeffrey 10M per year instead of Brandon Williams. The likihood of replacign Williams is higher than replacing SSSR
    That's what I was getting at, maybe not to the extent of paying top dollar, but basically the premise.





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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    That's what I was getting at, maybe not to the extent of paying top dollar, but basically the premise.
    If we could change one thing to our offseason I think, for me, it would have been paying Jeffrey instead of Williams.

    We draft OL pretty well too so I'm comfortable they can fix that. I dont think they can fix our WR situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    If we could change one thing to our offseason I think, for me, it would have been paying Jeffrey instead of Williams.

    We draft OL pretty well too so I'm comfortable they can fix that. I dont think they can fix our WR situation.
    I Think we could have afforded Pryor or Jeffrey on a multi year deal and kept Wagner if we didnt Sign Woodhead and Williams...triggered





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    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    I Think we could have afforded Pryor or Jeffrey on a multi year deal and kept Wagner if we didnt Sign Woodhead and Williams...triggered
    It's definitely possible.

    Replace Williams and Woodhead for Wags and Pryor would have worked.

    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmccharles View Post
    There is always an exception to a rule, which this isn't exactly a rule, its just a formula. You don't need WRs of great caliber to win, I get what your saying, but that's an exception, or at least in my opinion.
    Then Torrey Smith (2nd round) is an exception. Warts and all, he was a very productive WR during four playoff years, including a Super Bowl victory. I'd like more "exceptions" like him. Wouldn't you? ... Bc





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    Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    It's definitely possible.

    Replace Williams and Woodhead for Wags and Pryor would have worked.

    I agree.
    I think people would feel a lot better about the team right now. Would have been a really nice offseason. Would have got a complementary receiver, SS , 2 cbs, Rush, olb, nt. It would actually look like a football team. Only hole would be a center
    If they still draft Goose deuce then you could try Lewis at center. Stanley, Goose 2nd,Lewis,Yanda, Wagner could work and you would have a lot of meat on the line
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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Goode05 View Post
    I think people would feel a lot better about the team right now. Would have been a really nice offseason. Would have got a complementary receiver, SS , 2 cbs, Rush, olb, nt. It would actually look like a football team. Only hole would be a center
    If they still draft Goose deuce then you could try Lewis at center. Stanley, Goose 2nd,Lewis,Yanda, Wagner could work and you would have a lot of meat on the line
    Agreed. I do like Tony Jefferson a lot. I dont think I'd reverse that signing. It's a lot of money into S, but it's going to be worth it. I think Weddle and Jefferson are going to be insanely good.
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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    If we could change one thing to our offseason I think, for me, it would have been paying Jeffrey instead of Williams.

    We draft OL pretty well too so I'm comfortable they can fix that. I dont think they can fix our WR situation.
    I was on the pay Wagner instead of Williams because of how well we draft DL in mid rounds, but Jeffrey I wouldn't get behind because of the injury issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by BcRaven View Post
    Then Torrey Smith (2nd round) is an exception. Warts and all, he was a very productive WR during four playoff years, including a Super Bowl victory. I'd like more "exceptions" like him. Wouldn't you? ... Bc
    Kind of, Torrey was definitely worth it and productive. But without an injury to Q we may have never even seen Torrey, sidenote, has to be one of the best first games for a rookie ever. I just prefer the formula of what I stated, exceptions do go both ways as I never believe in using definitive words ie always and never.

    I'm merely saying QB is a more important position, while you don't have to get your starting QB in the first or second, its the position that makes or breaks a team for the most part. I didn't like how we went on about replacing Torrey, waiting till he already left, I think we drafted BP to fill a whole and definitely wasn't the best player available, I really thought we were going to take Collins.





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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven View Post
    Yeah avoiding drafting a WR becuase they're not good at it seems like a poor choice UNLESS you chose to put FA money towards it instead.

    I.E. We draft NT's very well. We don't draft WR's well. So give Alshon Jeffrey 10M per year instead of Brandon Williams. The likihood of replacign Williams is higher than replacing SSSR
    And we have a winner!!





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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Part of our problem is we seem to be we are generally better at drafting defense than offense, and especially at WR. We need to improve in this area but also need to be more aggressive in getting guys we want. The patient strategy where we always wait for what comes to us doesn't always work and that's how you get Breshad Perriman instead of Shane Ray, or Matt Elam instead of DeAndre Hopkins, or Kindle instead of Dez Bryant.

    These are just a few and there are times we've gotten steals by waiting but sometimes you must be aggressive to get what you want because others will. Obviously with all 3 top WR going in the top 10 there's little to do there in that instance. I don't really even fault the team for that this year; however, taking guys like Correa in the top of the second and expecting instant results seems very puzzling. Correa would've been our first pick back when we were competing and in the playoffs annually.





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    Re: Ravens spend way more cap money on offense than defense

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimCoconut View Post
    Part of our problem is we seem to be we are generally better at drafting defense than offense, and especially at WR. We need to improve in this area but also need to be more aggressive in getting guys we want. The patient strategy where we always wait for what comes to us doesn't always work and that's how you get Breshad Perriman instead of Shane Ray, or Matt Elam instead of DeAndre Hopkins, or Kindle instead of Dez Bryant.

    These are just a few and there are times we've gotten steals by waiting but sometimes you must be aggressive to get what you want because others will. Obviously with all 3 top WR going in the top 10 there's little to do there in that instance. I don't really even fault the team for that this year; however, taking guys like Correa in the top of the second and expecting instant results seems very puzzling. Correa would've been our first pick back when we were competing and in the playoffs annually.
    That's something I have always tried to elude to. In the past there were numerous times I would of liked to see us move up to go get a guy that we really wanted instead of hanging back, waiting. But also, it depends on how we look at it compared to how the FO looks at it. We really don't know how the FO's board is set so we don't know if there were even players left that we wanted before our pick.

    I think most will agree that the Correa pick is still kind of mind boggling. I am no scout or draft expert, but that year I was following college players pretty early on considering our season was over pretty quickly. These are all guys I would of taken before KC that were still on the board:

    Derrick Henry
    Michael Thomas
    Nick Martin
    Cravens
    Cody Whitehair
    Yannick Ngakoue
    Tyler Boyd

    Now some of them might not be as good as KC, but every single one of them produced more than KC last year, which isn't really saying that much.





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