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  1. #16
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    Re: Jonathan Ogden......



    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    Actually, I think anyone who's looking at footage of Ogden this year and not at his career overall understands he needs to be BENCHED

    He's playing like shit, to be frank.

    Billick's loyalty to certain veterans is what really hurts this team.

    Ogden should have been put on IR. But instead, we have him out there half assing it half-injured, and getting owned by DE's who are otherwise having mediocre seasons.

    Its time to bench him for the good of the team.


    I think those of us who see this aren't anti ogden as a person, or even as a ring of honor candidate.


    But good franchises know how to cut ties with veterans when they are holding you back. We don't. Look how long it took to sit McNair when its was obvious his body betrayed him and his legacy. We're still starting Flynn and let Rabach go. This team, plainly put, is too loyal to veterans.
    yes, yes, yes.

    Earl Weaver said once that pinch-hitting for Boog Powell was the toughest thing he ever did as a manager. BB should have benched McNair and should now bench JO. whether injury or attitude, he just isn't doing the job.
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  2. #17

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    I will tell you this with deadly certainty: Jonathan Ogden IS fed up with the playcalling and IS at the end of his rope with Brian Billick.

    I'm not going to say that those exact words came out of his mouth while talking to a friend of his after the game Sunday (UCLA Alumni, I believe), but it wasn't too hard to read between the lines.

    He did say, however, that he was gonna continue to give his best for the rest of the season. The look of frustration and aggravation on his face said it all though...




  3. #18

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52 View Post
    I will tell you this with deadly certainty: Jonathan Ogden IS fed up with the playcalling and IS at the end of his rope with Brian Billick.

    I'm not going to say that those exact words came out of his mouth while talking to a friend of his after the game Sunday (UCLA Alumni, I believe), but it wasn't too hard to read between the lines.

    He did say, however, that he was gonna continue to give his best for the rest of the season. The look of frustration and aggravation on his face said it all though...
    But at the same time he needs to then step his game back up for this final push.

    As far as I am concerned, what JO does this year to me does not affect his status as one of the best Ravens players in it's history (next to Ray), a 1st ballot hall of famer, and an instant Ring of Honor inductee.

    But that doesn't excuse his level of play on the field. And that is I think the issue we all have. If he's mad at Billick, don't take it out on Boller, McNair, and McGahee by not performing on the line. Right now his play is hurting the team. And it is potentially going to get Boller hurt yet again. And it doesn't help the young guard next to him who is trying to do his job.

    If JO can't play at 100%, or can't give that level of performance anymore, then he does need to sit. And if he's so upset with Billick that he's going to retire, then so be it.

    That's all I think some of us are saying.




  4. #19

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by RAVENOUS52
    I will tell you this with deadly certainty: Jonathan Ogden IS fed up with the playcalling and IS at the end of his rope with Brian Billick.
    So what? Ogden is a player, Billick is the coach. JO should just shut up.

    I don't doubt that JO is fed up with Billick's playcalling, but I'm also certain that Billick is fed up with JO not doing his job. You shoudn't throw temper tantrums on the sideline if you aren't holding up your end of the deal.




  5. Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    So what? Ogden is a player, Billick is the coach. JO should just shut up.

    I don't doubt that JO is fed up with Billick's playcalling, but I'm also certain that Billick is fed up with JO not doing his job. You shoudn't throw temper tantrums on the sideline if you aren't holding up your end of the deal.
    J.O. never liked to pass-block and plainly, it is difficult for a big man to pass block...Brian Billicks Offense is ultimately and mainly a pass oriented offense..the West Coast style....He hasn't been able to run his offense because he's had big men blocking for him, that's what he inherited and he's made the best out of it...J.O. and Flynn will be the last of the BIG guys up front and then you will see B.B's real offense come to fruition...He was going to convert to the west coast Offense this past year but was unable to with all the injuries....Love you J.O., but ya got to go




  6. #21

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    I think it's perfectly normal for offensive linemen to prefer run blocking. Makes sense, when you think about it. Your goal is simple, the play from your perspective is straightforward, and it's mano y mano take your man.

    I don't mind *any* player griping away from the media about this or that, they are all human. And I don't doubt for a second he is giving it his all every snap he's out there, because that's what he's always done.

    And I will repeat, I will take him at limited capacity over a full strength Adam Terry, because I want Boller and McGahee to remain as injury-free as possible.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  7. #22

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Im with festivus 100%

    Some of you have determined that he's not giving 100% rather than stating that he's not playing at 100%

    The reason the guy doesn't look like he's 100% is precisely that. HE'S NOT 100%.

    The stuff being said about him shows a complete lack of respect and the true colors of some "fans".

    And you know damn well who Im talkin about.

    If the coaches pull Ogden, fine. But THEY are the ones who make the call for him to play.

    Stop with this childish bullshit about him not trying hard because he's not happy with the offense/playcalling/coach.

    PP




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    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    JO is a class act and would never mail it in. The man is trying to the best of his ability to play his position. I agree with PP' statement above...
    "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused" - Elvis Costello





  9. #24

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    And by the way, I didn't hear a peep about Ogden not trying or not caring when he got worked up in Pittsburgh on MNF.

    Seems to me that line of thought only came about when a QB switch was made.

    PP




  10. Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    And by the way, I didn't hear a peep about Ogden not trying or not caring when he got worked up in Pittsburgh on MNF.

    Seems to me that line of thought only came about when a QB switch was made.

    PP
    SAVE IT




  11. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator View Post
    SAVE IT
    I'll say whatever I want.

    JO is featured on Ravens wired this week.

    For anyone questioning JO's character or heart, watch Ravens wired. It's on right now and they just did the game footage. He certainly played his ass off and even though it's obvious he's not nearly as effective as he has been, he played hard.

    PP




  12. Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    I'll say whatever I want.

    JO is featured on Ravens wired this week.

    For anyone questioning JO's character or heart, watch Ravens wired. It's on right now and they just did the game footage. He certainly played his ass off and even though it's obvious he's not nearly as effective as he has been, he played hard.

    PP
    Ya know, Steve McNair was also running around like a chicken with his head cut off...I love JO....I don't think he wasn't give his all and his heart...But it wasn't good enough PP




  13. #28

    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by Tspot-D-Ravenator View Post
    Ya know, Steve McNair was also running around like a chicken with his head cut off...I love JO....I don't think he wasn't give his all and his heart...But it wasn't good enough PP
    Ummm, that's exactly what Im saying.

    PP




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    Re: Jonathan Ogden......

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenwoman View Post
    J.O. is obviously playing in pain and is upset that we are not winning. I do think he came back to win a Super Bowl, but I also think he came back for the money as well. After all, not too many players make 5 or 6 million dollars per year after their football career is done.

    I would play him for the New England and Colt games only because we really need him in there, otherwise Boller will really get killed and then we really have nobody at the QB position. (McNair=0; Smith has no experience).

    I would like to see J.O. to announce his retirement now so we can bid him a proper farewell at the Pittsburgh game. It is only fitting.
    This was never about the money. JO is very well vested, he has been very frugal with his money and has done a great job of staying wealthy over the years.

    He came back because they begged him to come back and he accepted, thinking they had business left over to handle from last year.

    The tantrums, I can do without. He isn't the only one on this team that hates losing.
    Waiting for the next one!!!




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