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03-01-2017, 11:12 AM #13Hall Of Fame Poster
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Re: What are your doubts about religion/Christianity
I think it's not necessarily fundamental or hard-line. It's the Once Saved Always Saved crowd. They've go this wrong idea in their head that if you are concerned with what will happen to you in the after life, well then you simply don't believe properly, cuz once you are truly 'born again' then your are 'saved' forever.
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03-01-2017, 11:59 AM #14Legendary RSR Poster
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Re: What are your doubts about religion/Christianity
Interesting. I too think about my mortality a lot more since having kids but come to a much different conclusion. My kids have only reassured my belief there is something more out there. My love for my kids, more than anything else, have shown there are things out there that are very real but unexplainable.
I'm more convinced than ever that there's more to it than just flipping a light switch and it's done.
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Re: What are your doubts about religion/Christianity
This is what made me doubt everything altogether as I was wondering... do I just want to believe because I don't want this to be the end? But after "investigating" and looking at all the evidence, I can't come to any other conclusion other than Jesus was who he said he was.
When the bible says "and God said let there be light" it was referring to the creation of the universe. I agree with the others that those are mans attempts to explain those things
Turning water into wine wasn’t he knew how to make wine, he was at a wedding that ran out of wine and his Mother asked to help. And he turned jugs of water into wine. I can expand on this if you want but that’s what that was about.
Regarding him being supernatural, I guess it depends on if you believe he was also the David Copperfield of his time (joking) and tricked people or he actually turned water into wine, walked on water, made a paralyzed man walk, raised a man from the dead and was resurrected etc. Based on the eyewitness accounts (The gospels) and sources outside the bible, I do. (happy to talk about those if you’d like)
But saying no one is right isn't much different. All that's really saying is everyone is wrong.
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03-01-2017, 07:03 PM #16Legendary RSR Poster
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03-01-2017, 08:29 PM #20Legendary RSR Poster
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What are your doubts about religion/Christianity
But that's just it. Everyone believes their way is the right way. I see no reason to believe that all Judeo-Christian sects are not basically about the same guy (or, is God a woman?). Maybe Buddha and Jesus were the same guy? Why not?
I actually went to a youth group when I was in high school and I brought this very topic up. The youth leader goes "ok, well for Paul, we'll say that our god is the 'Big G' and all of the others are 'little G's'..."
I never went back.
That's not faith. That's arrogance and elitism.
Re the Bible - it's a book. It's a collection of stories. I know that probably makes me sound like an asshole to those who believe it to be the word of God, but I don't see it that way. I'm no Bible expert, but there are great ethics guidelines on just being a decent person. However, realistically, the Bible is a collection of stories that were voted on and assembled for political reasons (Council of Nicea).
To go back to your comment that Jesus turned water to wine at a party, I logically cannot take the literal interpretation of that story seriously. What I can take seriously, because of logic, is that Jesus taught people how to make wine (which uses water as an ingredient). You can make wine in as little as 10 days and a lot of ancient recipes for beer and wine used a lot of honey to offset the flavor and increase fermentation activity.
The point is, how easy would it be for the story of Jesus teaching folks to make wine for an upcoming celebration to evolve into he waved his hand over water and turned it into wine at a party? Sit 20 people in a circle and play the game telephone where the first person says a sentence and by the time it gets back around, it has completely changed.
Here's the thing, I'm not saying that Jesus didn't do these things. However, I think literal acceptance of what the Bible says is illogical and does more harm to spreading Jesus's morals and messages than it does to help that.
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03-01-2017, 10:22 PM #24Legendary RSR Poster
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