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  1. #1381

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.



    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    Playmakers on our team above NFL average in 2012. Ray Rice. Thats it. Adding Pitta, Torey or boldin is just because we love them because they were ravens. They were never above average talent while wearing purple.

    Ok I'll give you Leach I guess. but a fullback bruh? Dont act live flacco is out there slinging it to AB or megatron like we pretend when we have Kamar Aiken as our #1
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  2. #1382

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan View Post
    Playmakers on our team above NFL average in 2012. Ray Rice. Thats it. Adding Pitta, Torey or boldin is just because we love them because they were ravens. They were never above average talent while wearing purple.

    Ok I'll give you Leach I guess. but a fullback bruh? Dont act live flacco is out there slinging it to AB or megatron like we pretend when we have Kamar Aiken as our #1

    you said "below average"...





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    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    I know it has probably been mentioned ad nauseum, but Joe Flacco has had a load of different offensive coordinators which has affected his productivity and consistency.





  4. #1384

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongBaldy View Post
    rice got schiano an NFL HC gig LOL
    Rice [and that team's performances], sure enough did.
    TBB thought they had the Next Big Thing with that guy.
    "The Ravens are not taking Jimmy Smith at 26!" -- Me, the day before the 2011 Draft

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  5. Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Top 2012 WR based on Receptions

    Player Team Gms Rec Yds Avg YPG Lg TD FD Tar YAC
    Calvin Johnson Det 16 122 1,964 16.10 122.8 53 5 92 204 503
    Wes Welker NE 16 118 1,354 11.47 84.6 59 6 72 175 687
    Brandon Marshall Chi 16 118 1,508 12.78 94.2 56 11 75 194 347
    Andre Johnson Hou 16 112 1,598 14.27 99.9 60t 4 79 163 548
    Jason Witten Dal 16 110 1,039 9.45 64.9 36 3 56 149 313
    Reggie Wayne Ind 16 106 1,355 12.78 84.7 33 5 73 195 360
    A.J. Green Cin 16 97 1,350 13.92 84.4 73t 11 61 164 381
    Dem Thomas Den 16 94 1,434 15.26 89.6 71t 10 60 141 551
    Tony Gonzalez Atl 16 93 930 10.00 58.1 25 8 65 124 252
    Roddy White Atl 16 92 1,351 14.68 84.4 59 7 73 143 326
    Dez Bryant Dal 16 92 1,382 15.02 86.4 85t 12 54 138 449
    Victor Cruz NYG 16 86 1,092 12.70 68.2 80t 10 52 143 328
    Jimmy Graham NO 15 85 982 11.55 65.5 46 9 59 135 306
    Eric Decker Den 16 85 1,064 12.52 66.5 55 13 52 122 263
    Michael Crabtree SF 16 85 1,105 13.00 69.1 49t 9 57 126 544
    Marques Colston NO 16 83 1,154 13.90 72.1 60 10 65 130 292
    Randall Cobb GB 15 80 954 11.93 63.6 39t 8 45 104 455
    Brandon Myers Oak 16 79 806 10.20 50.4 29 4 41 105 286
    Stevie Johnson Buf 16 79 1,046 13.24 65.4 63 6 52 148 365
    Julio Jones Atl 16 79 1,198 15.16 74.9 80t 10 56 129 464
    Darren Sproles NO 13 75 667 8.89 51.3 44 7 29 104 665
    Brandon Lloyd NE 16 74 911 12.31 56.9 53 4 50 130 168
    Brian Hartline Mia 16 74 1,083 14.64 67.7 80t 1 48 131 240
    Steve Smith Car 16 73 1,174 16.08 73.4 66 4 51 138 268
    Vincent Jackson TB 16 72 1,384 19.22 86.5 95 8 61 147 361


    Top 25 rb based on yards


    Player Team Gms Att Yds Avg YPG Lg TD FD
    Adrian Peterson Min 16 348 2,097 6.03 131.1 82t 12 85
    Alfred Morris Was 16 335 1,613 4.81 100.8 39t 13 83
    Marshawn Lynch Sea 16 315 1,590 5.05 99.4 77t 11 69
    Jamaal Charles KC 16 285 1,509 5.29 94.3 91t 5 62
    Doug Martin TB 16 319 1,454 4.56 90.9 70t 11 58
    Arian Foster Hou 16 351 1,424 4.06 89.0 46 15 78
    Stevan Ridley NE 16 290 1,263 4.36 78.9 41 12 82
    C.J. Spiller Buf 16 207 1,244 6.01 77.8 62 6 52
    Chris Johnson Ten 16 276 1,243 4.50 77.7 94t 6 45
    Frank Gore SF 16 258 1,214 4.71 75.9 37 8 67
    Ray Rice Bal 16 257 1,143 4.45 71.4 46 9 51
    Matt Forte Chi 15 248 1,094 4.41 72.9 46 5 45
    BenJarvus Green-Ellis Cin 15 278 1,094 3.94 72.9 48 6 54

    Ray rice was 11th. I'll give you him as our only real playmaker. He managed to beat out the legendary BenJarvus Green ellis by 50 yards that season


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    2. Jimmy Graham NO 15 135 85 982 9 152.2 10.1
    3. Tony Gonzalez ATL 16 124 93 930 8 141.0 8.8
    4. Greg Olsen CAR 16 104 69 843 5 114.3 7.1
    5. Heath Miller PIT 15 101 71 816 8 129.6 8.6
    6. Brandon Myers OAK 16 105 79 806 4 104.6 6.5
    7. Rob Gronkowski NE 11 79 55 790 11 145.0 13.2
    8. Jermaine GreshamCIN 16 94 64 737 5 103.7 6.5
    9. Owen Daniels HOU 15 104 62 716 6 107.6 7.2
    10. Brent Celek PHI 15 88 57 684 1 74.4 5.0
    11. Dennis Pitta BAL 16 94 61 669 7 108.9 6.8
    12. Jermichael Finley GB 16 86 61 667 2 78.7 4.9
    13. Martellus BennettNYG 16 90 55 626 5 92.6 5.8
    14. Scott Chandler BUF 15 74 43 571 6 93.1 6.2
    15. Brandon PettigrewDET 13 102 59 565 3 74.5 5.7
    16. Jacob Tamme DEN 15 85 52 555 2 67.5 4.5
    17. Vernon Davis SF 15 61 41 548 5 84.8 5.7
    18. Marcedes Lewis JAC 15 77 52 540 4 78.0 5.2
    19. Antonio Gates SD 15 80 49 538 7 95.8 6.4
    20. Jared Cook TEN 13 72 44 523 4 76.3 5.9
    21. Dwayne Allen IND 15 66 45 521 3 70.6 4.7
    22. Lance Kendricks STL 16 64 42 519 4 75.9 4.7
    23. Tony Scheffler DET 15 85 42 504 1 56.4 3.8
    24. Ben Watson CLE 16 82 49 501 3 68.1 4.3
    25. Kyle Rudolph MIN 16 93 53 493 9 103.3 6.5

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    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongBaldy View Post
    the poster was talking about the talent around joe. jacoby is a below average wr
    Ah I see, because he was definitely an elite KR





  7. #1387

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongBaldy View Post
    here is who was average or above average:
    yanda
    birk
    KO
    oher
    rice
    pitta
    torrey
    boldin
    leach
    The problem with your list is that all of the skill players you list were average players. Oher was a false start machine and was probably not considered average at the time. There is not one player on the list who is in the top 10 by position. I find it hard to say that 4 of our oline and Leach were very good when Rice was not even a top 10 back.





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    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    All you have to do is ask yourself this question. How many QBs can you name, that you or football fans in general would consider better than Joe, who have gone through just as much or more disarray in total, between coaching, scheme, philosophy and talent?

    That's the question we all need to ask ourselves, if we're really being honest here.
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    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    For the record, the guy who takes good coaching, veteran Steve Smith, a cloud of dust and goes into New England and throws four (Should have been five) touchdown passes in January, is the guy the team needs to be built around.
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  10. #1390

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Excellector View Post
    All you have to do is ask yourself this question. How many QBs can you name, that you or football fans in general would consider better than Joe, who have gone through just as much or more disarray in total, between coaching, scheme, philosophy and talent?

    That's the question we all need to ask ourselves, if we're really being honest here.
    That's a good backward looking question, which doesn't mean that it's not a good one, but it gets no one anywhere and solves nothing.

    A more important question IMO is for the FO: When and how do you grab a QB of equal or lesser talent, but with greater FBIQ and discipline, that in the worst-case is able to deal with just as much if not more disarray in case the club continues to step on its own offensive-diq.
    "The Ravens are not taking Jimmy Smith at 26!" -- Me, the day before the 2011 Draft

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  11. #1391

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    The 32-year-old passer threw a career-best 4,317 yards last season, but he has thrown 12 or more interceptions every year since 2013, with just one of those seasons having more than 20 touchdown passes.
    He's also terrible under pressure. According to the game charters at Pro Football Focus, his passer rating dropped from 93.9 to 57.5 under pressure last season, with his completion percentage plummeting from 71.3 to 48.7 percent in those situations.





  12. #1392

    Re: The Official Joe Flacco Thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongBaldy View Post
    The 32-year-old passer threw a career-best 4,317 yards last season, but he has thrown 12 or more interceptions every year since 2013, with just one of those seasons having more than 20 touchdown passes.
    He's also terrible under pressure. According to the game charters at Pro Football Focus, his passer rating dropped from 93.9 to 57.5 under pressure last season, with his completion percentage plummeting from 71.3 to 48.7 percent in those situations.
    The problem with just referencing yardage or interceptions is that it lacks context. For example, if I said that Joe's 2016 INT numbers were right about where everybody should expect them to be, I'd be correct. Because its about how many times he threw the ball, as obviously more attempts tends to correlate with more INTs.

    INT% by season (INT/Attempt)

    2008: 2.8
    2009: 2.4
    2010: 2.0
    2011: 2.2
    2012: 1.9
    2013: 3.6
    2014: 2.2
    2015: 2.9
    2016: 2.2
    Career average: 2.5

    So basically you've got 2013 and 2015 where he had unreasonable high INT rates. We pretty much could have already guessed this anyway.

    But in 2014 and even last season, his INT% wasn't really a whole lot different than it was from 2010-2012, or even in 2014, which most people consider his best season.

    Now from a yardage perspective, his YPA was pretty pathetic this past season, and really has only been quality once in the last four years (2014). He's been below 7.0 YPA for the three of the last four years, and his TD% hasn't been that good either.

    But its important to keep in mind that a lot of these numbers are going to be driven by attempts. And from an INT perspective, we know what Joe is. He's going to be around 2-2.5% INT%, meaning if he's going to continue towards 600 attempts every year, a reasonable expectation for INTs is 12-15. I don't really see how fans can complain about those numbers at this stage in his career.

    As for Passer Rating, its not a real thing. If I asked you to tell me what it is and what it means, you'd have to look it up to do it. Its just one of many failed attempts to combine all statistics into a single statistic, and NFL teams don't put any stock in it.

    Almost as bad as QBR.





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