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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL



    Marcus McNeil was picked after Chester.




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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    "If they can't find a guy in the 2nd round in the whole country that has the physical ability to step in and contribute at least sometime during his 1st season, then again, I call bullshit."

    And I call it right along with you. Every other freakin' team seems to be able to plug someone in their line that they draft for the line. Why can't we
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    [/QUOTE] I hear this all the time, but it's bullshit. What you are really saying is that he's unable to execute the plays that he's assigned. You can be a junkyard dog and it's not going to help your strength or your technique. If you mean that he appears to play like a golly-gee yuk yuk hayseed with no passion or motor, then I can understand that. And that may be part of the problem. But he's just not getting it done in his 1-on-1 matchups, and if you can't do that, you are useless. [/QUOTE]

    Remember that people used to say that Ogden lacked a mean streak.

    Now about Terry. He's actually played well when he's had the chance. He slides his feet and can hit people in the open field. He's not nearly as good a run-blocker as Jon is, but not many people are. He's a wall off type guy and that's not really unusual for LTs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    Given that Ozzie and Billick are total morons when it comes to the offensive line ...
    Billick has nothing to do with the draft, but of course does with the starters.

    Keep in mind that Ozzie is the guy that also picked up Ogden (when everyone in Baltimore b*tched about him not taking Lawrence Phillips), Mulitalo, Jeff Mitchell, Rabauch, and maybe some other OLs I'm forgetting that have turned into some pretty good linemen in this league. Ozzie isn't a guy who's draft & player evaluation prowess should be questioned anywhere except QB.

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    Darb . . . when you send your resume' into the front office let me know. I'll write a letter of recommendation . . .
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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    Mulitalo, Jeff Mitchell, Rabauch, and maybe some other OLs I'm forgetting

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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    Quote Originally Posted by sandiegosean View Post
    Marcus McNeil was picked after Chester.

    That was the guy I wanted with our second pick. I also hoped that we would trade up to get Winston Justice. (By the way, is Justice starting on their OL?) I don't remember seeing him in their starting OL, so we aren't the only ones that do not start rookie OLmen.

    Yes either of those guys would have sat a year or two before starting because Billick does not start rookie OL. This is probably why they went with a guy such as Chris Chester. Ozzie and Billick do know what they are doing, and if you doubt that, check out their SB Ring and AFC North title.

    In about two years when Brown and Chester are anchoring the OL for us, then some of you will be hailing Ozzie and Billick as king. Right now, they are "idiots" because the team is going through advertisy. It is the same thing from you guys.
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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    I dont' think either men are idiots. I do however, have a problem with the offensive line that we have had to endure for the past five, six, seven freakin' years.

    You can argue with me until you are blue in the face but I will never believe that this team (front office) has made an effort nor sees the need for upgrading the offensive line NOW.
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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    I think it is too early to call Chester a bust
    I don't want to insult anybody but if somebody has called Chester a bust they're an idiot. This guy was a known project but after the draft during a DeCosta interview he said Ozzie got a BUNCH of calls from other GMs on the Chester saying it was a great pick.

    As for Terry, the guy has played a very good LT when in. Brown can move to RG next year and maybe Chester can take the C position. Pashos is a decent RT, you can't have all studs. If we can upgrade for a reasonable cap number then fine, but G and C are where we are weak.

    We need to get Chester in there at RG, if possible, once he has some decent technique down. Vincent may be bigger and stronger but with Chester I bet we could screen, trap and sweep more. I would trade that for experience. I can't believe he could be much worse than Vincent.




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    Quote Originally Posted by psuasskicker View Post
    That's pretty funny dude.

    Second rounders CAN become starters or immediate contributers. So can undrafted free agents. "Should" is too strong a word. There are guys that are drafted with a lot of talent that still need work to become viable NFL starters. Matt Jones immediately comes to mind.
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    I understand that not every 1st and 2nd rounder is gonna be a starter right away. Maybe I worded it incorrectly. But I would expect them to contribute sooner than later.

    However, when writing my post the Ravens OL was what I had in mind.

    And therein lies my issue. We have PUTRID interior lineman. And yet guys that we are trading up in the 2nd round to draft can't even seem to push these slugs (Mulitalo/Flynn/Vincent) for a starting position?

    Sorry, but that's bullshit.

    And the Ravens are starting to develop a pattern when it comes to guys drafted in the 2nd round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandiegosean View Post
    Marcus McNeil was picked after Chester.
    Even though McNeil was drafted after our original 2nd round pick, he was picked ahead of Chris Chester.




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    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    We have PUTRID interior lineman. And yet guys that we are trading up in the 2nd round to draft can't even seem to push these slugs (Mulitalo/Flynn/Vincent) for a starting position?
    PP
    Why does everyone say we traded up to get Chester? It was my understanding we had the 44th pick which we traded to the Giants for the 56th(Chester) and 87th(Pittman) picks.

    An argument can be made that we didn't get the most bang for our buck with those picks, but I don't think we "traded up" to get Chester.

    Sorry if I am wrong about this, but it appears to be a self perpetuating rumor on the board that is adding to everyones angst.




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    Quote Originally Posted by MrPoeJangles View Post
    Why does everyone say we traded up to get Chester? It was my understanding we had the 44th pick which we traded to the Giants for the 56th(Chester) and 87th(Pittman) picks.

    An argument can be made that we didn't get the most bang for our buck with those picks, but I don't think we "traded up" to get Chester.

    Sorry if I am wrong about this, but it appears to be a self perpetuating rumor on the board that is adding to everyones angst.
    Nope, you are right. I was wrong. I apologize.

    I had the trade switched in my head for some reason. We did trade up to get Terry, but not Chester.

    Either way, Im still fed up with the OL and this team.

    PP




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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    McNeil was pretty awful today against the Chiefs. Still better than Pashos, though.




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    Re: Interesting Notes Fron WNST On Our OL

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    I understand that not every 1st and 2nd rounder is gonna be a starter right away. Maybe I worded it incorrectly. But I would expect them to contribute sooner than later.

    However, when writing my post the Ravens OL was what I had in mind.

    And therein lies my issue. We have PUTRID interior lineman. And yet guys that we are trading up in the 2nd round to draft can't even seem to push these slugs (Mulitalo/Flynn/Vincent) for a starting position?

    Sorry, but that's bullshit.

    And the Ravens are starting to develop a pattern when it comes to guys drafted in the 2nd round.

    PP
    You have to ask if it is that the rookies are not pushing the "slugs" for a starting position, or is it that Billick has a thing against starting rookie OL ahead of vets.

    I can remember Brett Farve being critical of having so many rookies starting on their OL this year. Also, on NFL Network, Marshall Faulk made a comment that vet offensive players have problems, sometimes, with rookie OL starting right away.

    OL is not a position that a rookie can come in and start immediately, so why not take a OL like Chris Chester that could be developed to start in 2007? Again, even if we had a taken Marcus McNeil or Winston Justice, they would be sitting on the bench right now.

    Billick does not like starting rookie OL over vets. We may not like it nor agree with it, but it is what it is.
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