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  1. #31

    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?



    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    WOW!! What a huge margin!!

    Not to mention that Boller was in his third year with the team last season, and McNair has played in a total of 6 regular season games here.

    Boller has slightly better numbers than McNair has with alot less time here, I'm impressed

    FYI, for those who keep bringing up how great Brees and Kitna are in there first years with there new teams, Take a look at there Offensive Lines, Case Closed!!
    Once again I find myself asking why is the offensive line getting blamed for McNair sucking?
    Why is the system getting blamed for McNair sucking?

    Last year people like you, CR and Poe all said it was Bollers fault. To a person you said that if we got McNair our offense would improve.

    News flash. It hasn't.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't blame McNair, just like I don't blame Boller. All QBs in this system put up exactly the same stats. It's just funny that hypocrites like y'all are now saying the same thing I've been saying for years, except you still think all of the problems the past three years have been Bollers fault.
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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Exactly!

    Suddenly now that McNair is the QB all of the "excuses" that were deemed unacceptable for Boller are perfectly fine for McNair.

    Here are the facts:

    McNair was brought in to improve the offense - has not happened.

    McNair was going to "make the Oline better" - has not happened.

    McNair was going to "improve the running game" - has not happened.

    Now the team is heading into the hard part of the schedule and we're supposed believe he still needs to learn the offense?

    Well, I hope that I am 100% wrong but so far I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for McNair to improve.




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    Quote Originally Posted by FHRaven View Post
    Exactly!

    McNair was brought in to improve the offense - has not happened.
    I beg to disagree. IMO, McNair was brought in to Win ballgames! The Ravens are currently 4-2, and share first place.




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    I beg to disagree. IMO, McNair was brought in to Win ballgames! The Ravens are currently 4-2, and share first place.
    The team is 4 - 2, not McNair. Or is the QB the only player on the field?

    If the season was only 6 games long this would great. Unfortunately there are 10 more games to go against higher quality opponents.

    Anything to add to my other points? Or are they irrefutable?




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    Exclamation Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    The ONLY point that matters to me is the Ravens W-L record!




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenjoe View Post
    IMO, McNair was brought in to Win ballgames! The Ravens are currently 4-2, and share first place.
    More credit goes to the defense and Stover, and less goes to McNair for being 4-2.




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    McNair was brought in to improve the offense - has not happened.

    McNair was going to "make the Oline better" - has not happened.

    McNair was going to "improve the running game" - has not happened.


    Actually, you are wrong on all three accounts:



    This is from the Ravens PR Staff: Through 3 road games this year, the Baltimore Ravens own a 2-1 record as compared to an 0-3 mark in 2005. The turnaround in record is in no small way solely due to the improvement on the offensive side of the ball. The Ravens have gained 100 more yards (868-to-768), scored more points (45-to-33) and committed fewer turnovers (3-to-6) in the opening 3 road games this season compared to their 1st 3 away contests of last year. Baltimore has also cut down on costly penalties in 2006. This year, the Ravens have committed a total of 12 fouls(for -70 yards) compared to 42 penalties (for -320 yards) through 3 road games last year.
    http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_vie...8&view=archive




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    ... opening 3 road games this season compared to their 1st 3 away contests of last year.
    Great, so McNair is better than Anthony Wright.




  9. #39

    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Great, so McNair is better than Anthony Wright.
    I was just responding to FH's contention that the O was no better than last year...

    I can understand that perception, but it simply isn't reality.

    Oh...and remember AW and KB have very similar numbers.




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Over their career they have "similar" numbers, but Boller's recent upswing is not anywhere in Wright's numbers. And Wright was HORRID in those games. Worse than Boller. No first downs in the first half against FRICKIN Tennessee!




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mobtown View Post
    Actually, you are wrong on all three accounts:





    http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_vie...8&view=archive
    Wow, you wasted 5 minutes of your life selectively pulling stats that include games Boller didn't play. And now we're only looking at away games? Don't the home games count as well?

    Here are the stats that makes sense:

    Rushing in 2006 3.5 yds per carry
    Rushing in 2005 3.6 yds per carry

    Looks the same to me.

    And if the Ravens didn't bring McNair in to improve the offense what was the point in spending $33 million on him? Here's more:

    Total offense in 2006 271 yds per game 5th worst in the NFL(With Boller having the more yards in 3 quarters than McNair has had in all but one game!)
    Total offense in 2005 293 yds per game, 9th worst in the NFL

    Seems to be decreasing.......

    And in 2006 so far we've (McNair) played 3 teams with a grand total of 4 wins together. And 2 of those 4 were against the other bottom feeders in the league.

    Next time bring some real stats to the table.

    You know as well as I do that on YBR it was said AS IF IT WAS FACT by the Boller haters that bringing any QB in would improve the three areas I mentioned. So where's the improvement?




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    Quote Originally Posted by FHRaven View Post
    Wow, you wasted 5 minutes of your life selectively pulling stats that include games Boller didn't play. And now we're only looking at away games? Don't the home games count as well?
    First of all...I didn't pull those stats, I just copied them from the link I provided. If you have a problem with their validity, tell it to the Ravens PR department. They clearly show an improvement over last year regardless of who the QB was and since we have an excellent home record, using the away games (where we have a terrible record) is a good indicator of improvement.

    The offense HAS played better as a group...but I am sure that improvement will be credited to anyone except Mac...


    Here are the stats that makes sense:

    Rushing in 2006 3.5 yds per carry
    Rushing in 2005 3.6 yds per carry

    Looks the same to me.
    Is that a 6 game average or 16?

    And if the Ravens didn't bring McNair in to improve the offense what was the point in spending $33 million on him?
    I will be the first to say that Mac has not played as well as I had hoped, but I have decided that I will give him 2 more starts before I start tearing him apart over every little mistake he makes. Also, we spent 12m on Mac...not 33m. Still too much for a guy who has played as poorly as he has.


    Here's more:

    Total offense in 2006 271 yds per game 5th worst in the NFL(With Boller having the more yards in 3 quarters than McNair has had in all but one game!)
    Total offense in 2005 293 yds per game, 9th worst in the NFL

    Seems to be decreasing.......
    Yup..and that sucks. Fortunately for us, there are still 10 games to be played in 2006. Hopefully we will do better.


    And in 2006 so far we've (McNair) played 3 teams with a grand total of 4 wins together. And 2 of those 4 were against the other bottom feeders in the league.

    Next time bring some real stats to the table.
    We also have played 3 perenial playoff teams, with a combined record of 13-6.

    You know as well as I do that on YBR it was said AS IF IT WAS FACT by the Boller haters that bringing any QB in would improve the three areas I mentioned. So where's the improvement?
    Not by me...but feel free to generalize.



    FH, I don't actually disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but your open hostility towards other members of this forum make me want to rub your nose in the mistakes you do make. It really is unnecessary and I am asking you politely to rethink the way that you address your fellow Ravens fans.




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    "They clearly show an improvement over last year regardless of who the QB was and since we have an excellent home record, using the away games (where we have a terrible record) is a good indicator of improvement."

    So you're picking and choosing which games we'll be using to measure improvement? Intresting.

    Since we all know that the offense is putting up worse stats than it did last year, I guess it stands to reason that McNair sucks really, really bad at home.

    Now let's look at some more just flat out confusing statements from Mobtown.

    "The offense HAS played better as a group...but I am sure that improvement will be credited to anyone except Mac."

    Followed by;

    "Yup..and that sucks. Fortunately for us, there are still 10 games to be played in 2006. Hopefully we will do better."

    So the offense has improved, yet the offense hasn't improved? Do you have any idea what you're trying to say?

    "We also have played 3 perenial playoff teams, with a combined record of 13-6. "

    Oh ok. Then I guess Kyle really deserves a lot of props for his game against the Packers last year since they've won a lot of NFL Championships. Because we all know that a franchises history has a lot of bearing on how good they are now.

    " but your open hostility towards other members of this forum make me want to rub your nose in the mistakes you do make. It really is unnecessary and I am asking you politely to rethink the way that you address your fellow Ravens fans."

    When has FH been openly hostile? I haven't seen him threaten anybody. Of course, considering you think the offense has improved despite stats to the contrary, I have to believe you're just making things up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobtown View Post
    FH, I don't actually disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but your open hostility towards other members of this forum make me want to rub your nose in the mistakes you do make. It really is unnecessary and I am asking you politely to rethink the way that you address your fellow Ravens fans.
    I don't know exactly where that came from, but I'd hardly describe FH as an openly hostile poster.




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    Re: Arm Strength Overrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    I don't know exactly where that came from, but I'd hardly describe FH as an openly hostile poster.
    Eh, people don't like being called out when they post bulls**t. I don't have a problem pointing it out when I see it or blatant hypocrisy for that matter.

    If that makes me "hostile", so be it.




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