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    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    In the wake of his quality throws he'll usually make enough mistakes and poor reads to cost you games , just like he did yesterday.
    And this is why people like you make people not want to be civil. To even insinuate that Boller cost us the game yesterday is pure 100% bullshit. And I don't know anyone who doesn't already have their mind set on Boller that thinks he cost us the game.

    Did he play poor in the 1st half? Yep. Did he put us in position to WIN the game? Yeah, he did.

    Kyle Boller is the Ravens best option right now but make no mistake that doesn't mean he is starting calibre. I realize Boller has a boy band type following in this town and they seem to be very sensitive but most of the country and some of this fanbase know the guy just doesn't have starting quarterback talent.

    What we've seen from Boller in the past is what we'll see in the future.
    Well, if you have that offensive line, you tell me what QB would look any better. The answer is NONE. Absolutely NONE.

    Most of the country doesn't give a shit about the Ravens, so that gets old too.



    Now:

    The two Brown D-Backs had good coverage and the pass should not have been made in that direction. The saftey was playing centerfield waiting for Boller to make that throw.
    This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you either didn't watch the game, or you just have no idea what you're talking about. Clayton was wide open in the endzone. Boller got PLASTERED as he threw the ball. It was just a bad play. But to pretend the defense would have picked the ball off either way once again is incorrect.




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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    He commented on that play. If was an ill advised throw. I'm sure dieon is still in Bollers corner, but he has to blow the whistle if he sees something that a veteran qb should not do.


    Sting he was falling backwards when he threw the ball. It was a stupid mistake. Perhaps if he didnt make that mistake we win. Stop trying to counter with things that didn't happen. A cagey vet would take a sack or throw the ball out of bounds and wouldnt hand the ball over so that they are in a position to score. The ball was intercepted and he threw it falling backwards. lets talk about the issue not what Crazyraven would say or not say.
    But we can. If he takes the sack you could claim that he holds onto the ball too long. It's not anything I can't say knowing my experience with you.

    That said, a cagey vet would not have thrown the ball away either. That would have been grounding, which Anderson got called for when he tried to throw away a ball being sacked.

    And he wasn't "falling backwards", he was being hit as he threw. That thing tends to happen in the NFL. I'm not saying he shouldn't have taken the sack either. But I don't fault him for trying to make a play either.

    The question becomes, as it should with all QB's in the NFL, how do you respond? The only people who don't think he responded well are the Tex's and the Ruston's of the forum who would actually keel over if they had a nice thing to say about the guy. Boller came back with fire and put the team in the position to win the game. And that was DESPITE the offensive line not playing much better than the first half.


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    Boller gets a portion of the loss yesterday but he covered his mistakes and got the team back the lead in the last minute of the game.

    If ST or the defense can make ONE DAMN PLAY we win. Just stop one of the passes or just stop Cribbs at the 30. If we do we win the game, asssuming they don't hit the Hail Mary they would have had to throw.

    This one was earned by everybody.

    Rex should have brought the house on the first pass on their last drive in regulation.




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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    And this is why people like you make people not want to be civil. To even insinuate that Boller cost us the game yesterday is pure 100% bullshit. And I don't know anyone who doesn't already have their mind set on Boller that thinks he cost us the game.

    Did he play poor in the 1st half? Yep. Did he put us in position to WIN the game? Yeah, he did..
    Bollers wounded duck interception happened when? I thought it was late in the third quarter. No one player is responsible for the loss and I haven't seen anyone insinuate it. I have seen some insinuate Boller had a great second half. He didn't , Boller made some good plays the second half but some of the drives were aided by penalties. The Browns being another 30 something ranked defense Boller should have had his way with them from start to finish. I counted two interceptions one returned 100 yards.


    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    Well, if you have that offensive line, you tell me what QB would look any better. The answer is NONE. Absolutely NONE. ..
    So just that we're clear, NO QB would look better than Boller?


    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post

    Most of the country doesn't give a shit about the Ravens, so that gets old too...
    A football fan doesn't need to care about a team to have an informed opinion about a certain player.






    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you either didn't watch the game, or you just have no idea what you're talking about. Clayton was wide open in the endzone. Boller got PLASTERED as he threw the ball. It was just a bad play. But to pretend the defense would have picked the ball off either way once again is incorrect.
    Boller should have recognized the blitz coming up the middle. His vision is poor, he may as well have blinders on plus he suffers from locking onto his primary read and staying there . Boller doesn't take into account anything else going on around him.

    The safety would have made a play on that ball either way. Whether the ball would have been intercepted is open for debate but there were two Brown defenders in the zone one being on the recievers back.
    Boller was throwing into double and triple coverage all day long although there were some singles. I'm led to believe Boller makes up his mind were he's going with the ball before he breaks the huddle.
    Last edited by RustonRifle; 11-19-2007 at 12:09 PM.




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    But we can. If he takes the sack you could claim that he holds onto the ball too long. It's not anything I can't say knowing my experience with you.
    Who is we?.... YOU!?

    Look I'm talking about the forced throw. If you want to go on a tangent about what I would say if this or that happened be my guest but I'm not playing along. Lets stick with what happened and forget about what I would say "if". If I did that with you'd get upset with me, We all know that especially with my prior run In's with you.


    Lets get this straight I feel he played well in the 2nd half, aside from that crappy throw. If you want to defend it go ahead.
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    The safety would have made a play on that ball either way. Whether the ball would have been intercepted is open for debate but there were two Brown defenders in the zone one being on the recievers back.
    Boller was throwing into double and triple coverage all day long.
    You have no idea if the ball would have been caught, thrown through the end zone or picked. You don't know where he was throwing.

    And if he was throwing into double coverage all day long he did pretty well doing so. You can't just make these blanket statements, the best pass the Ravens have seen in maybe 2 years was the thing of beauty to Darling. That was double coverage, one trailing on his hip with help deep and they beat it.

    He had a horrid first half but recovered in the second and had the team in the lead with 26 seconds left.

    I actually KNEW when we got the ball back at 27-27 he would get us the FG, I can't recall the last time I felt that way.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    So just that we're clear, NO QB would look better than Boller?
    Certainly no qb on the Ravens' roster, which is all we have to work with. If we are staying away from what-might-have-beens.
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    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  8. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    You have no idea if the ball would have been caught, thrown through the end zone or picked. You don't know where he was throwing.
    Most all the time Boller throws exactly to the reciever he's watching as the play develops. You' are correct, I or no one else can make any definitive claims on what would have happened had Boller not been hit.

    He should have saw the blitz, it was right in front of him. It was his fault he got hit as the ball was thrown. I understand he has no feel for what's going on around him but he should be able to recognize and react to a blitz coming basically up the middle.

    Judging from 5 years of watching Boller, I am of the opinion that he would have tried to force the ball into coverage and he telegraphs his throws staring at his primary read which he had done on that play.




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    Judging from 5 years of watching Boller, I am of the opinion that he would have tried to force the ball into coverage and he telegraphs his throws staring at his primary read which he had done on that play.
    Actually, in the first half he was trying to look all over the place and wouldn't pull the trigger until he looked at several options. It was quite obvious that at halftime they said "look to Mason, he is getting open" and he did. He made a few throws, he got some confidence and then things got a lot better.

    Yeah, he should have thrown that ball a moment earlier, but he held it trying to make a play into a fierce blitz. It was a mistake but it was made the way mistakes should be made, trying to play fearless ball.

    He got the team the lead with less than a minute to play, it should have been enough.




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    Re: Impressive?

    He got the team the lead with under a minute to play, it should have been enough.

    Suck on that Tex, and then post elsewhere.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    Most all the time Boller throws exactly to the reciever he's watching as the play develops. You' are correct, I or no one else can make any definitive claims on what would have happened had Boller not been hit.

    He should have saw the blitz, it was right in front of him. It was his fault he got hit as the ball was thrown. I understand he has no feel for what's going on around him but he should be able to recognize and react to a blitz coming basically up the middle.

    Judging from 5 years of watching Boller, I am of the opinion that he would have tried to force the ball into coverage and he telegraphs his throws staring at his primary read which he had done on that play.
    Nearly everything sentence you posted is so incorrect it's hard to know where to start. If you're not Tex ghosting as another poster you're someone who knows as little about football as he does.




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    Tex, aren't you going to respond to my McGahee thread? I know it's embarrassing for you to be proven wrong....again but take your medicine like a man.




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    Quote Originally Posted by RustonRifle View Post
    Bollers wounded duck interception happened when? I thought it was late in the third quarter. No one player is responsible for the loss and I haven't seen anyone insinuate it. I have seen some insinuate Boller had a great second half. He didn't , Boller made some good plays the second half but some of the drives were aided by penalties. The Browns being another 30 something ranked defense Boller should have had his way with them from start to finish. I counted two interceptions one returned 100 yards.
    Yes, I counted 2 interceptions. I also counted 4 scoring drives in the 4th quarter and 1 on the very first possession of the second half. No one said Boller didn't throw any interceptions. But when it came down to it, he made the plays necessary to put the team in a position to win.

    The fact that everyone on the planet but you and Tex thinks he didn't have a great second half again goes to your bias and credibility when trying to have these discussions.



    So just that we're clear, NO QB would look better than Boller?
    Just to be clear, you think anyone else would take a pounding like that yesterday and do any better? Did you happen to watch the great Peyton Manning yesterday and last week when he was getting blasted and under pressure all day.

    Here's a news flash about football. When you spend the whole day under constant pressure, even the hall-of-fame QB's don't play so well.


    Boller should have recognized the blitz coming up the middle. His vision is poor, he may as well have blinders on plus he suffers from locking onto his primary read and staying there . Boller doesn't take into account anything else going on around him.
    Oh I see, but the fact that he did exactly that multiple times in the second half means nothing. Of course not, we're talking to some one who really didn't watch the whole game.


    The safety would have made a play on that ball either way. Whether the ball would have been intercepted is open for debate but there were two Brown defenders in the zone one being on the recievers back.
    No......there wasn't. But whatever.


    Boller was throwing into double and triple coverage all day long although there were some singles. I'm led to believe Boller makes up his mind were he's going with the ball before he breaks the huddle.
    Your mind is made up that you will make up things to try and make Boller look worse than he did. He did not throw into triple and double coverage all day long. The fact is the Browns didn't have to double cover anyone, they were doing just fine play man on our receivers. Except Darling who broke free for his catches.

    Wow, it is such a difference between talking to those who actually know what's happening or watch the games, then those who continue to make stuff up as they go along.
    Last edited by StingerNLG; 11-19-2007 at 02:18 PM.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Actually, in the first half he was trying to look all over the place and wouldn't pull the trigger until he looked at several options. It was quite obvious that at halftime they said "look to Mason, he is getting open" and he did. He made a few throws, he got some confidence and then things got a lot better.
    What really annoys me is when people are so wrong, and they don't see the same things everyone else sees. There were times when Boller had to it McGahee in the middle because his outside receivers were covered. He looked across the field several times yesterday.

    But why let facts get in the way of some good old fashioned Boller bashing? Greg, it will never change.




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    Here's my problem.

    The same people who are praising Boller's 2nd half and him putting us in position to win are the same people would discredit McNair's games at Cleveland and Tennessee last year. Let's face it, Boller was horrendous in the 1st half just like McNair was in those 2 games last year.

    Both players got the team into position to win. Yet the reactions are VASTLY different.

    The Oline didn't all of a sudden start playing horribly on Sunday folks. McNair wasn't sitting back in the pocket with all day to throw either.

    And therein lies the problem for me.

    Boller made some good plays and some bad plays. He's obviously more explosive and should be starting for the remainder of this season.

    The bomb to Clayton was underthrown. Period. Yes, Clayton should've made a better play on the ball and tried to break it up, but he had his man beat and Boller underthrew it. The rest of the 1st half was as bad as it gets as far as offensive football. And I don't think McNair would've done any better either.

    The pick six was also on Boller IMO. Look folks, he's in his 5th year. The blitzer came straight up the middle and Boller saw him. You cannot start your throwing motion at that point. You just cannot do it.

    On the other hand, in the 2nd half Boller made some very nice reads and throws while facing a lot of pressure. He did indeed get us into field goal position and that should've won the game (RUN THE BALL!!!!) but alas, it didn't.

    But back to my original point. This game was similar to some games that we won with McNair last year. But those games were chalked up to other factors. To me both QBs contributed to the hole we dug and both dug us out of those holes.

    Sadly, the lines have been drawn for some time and that doesn't seem to be changing.

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