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  1. #46

    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.



    I don't have strong feelings about whether Billick should go one way or the other.

    But I will say this.

    If he is removed at the end of the year, we will be saying goodbye to a head coach who brought us more good years then bad, turned us from perennial losers to a powerhouse, and who held the team together when off-field issues threatened to tear us apart. More than once.

    We *have* had years with an effective offense, and we *have* had (several) years battling deficiencies in personnel, through injury or otherwise. I agree our offense has never been "explosive," but the goal is to win, not to be explosive.

    So, I'll understand if the FO decides it's time to part ways. It's their call and this year is such a disaster they will have carte blanche from the fans, including me, to do what they think is best. But it's a serious decision, and for all the demands here, it's just not as simple as many posters want it to be.
    Festivus

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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Billick doesn't need to be fired, he needs to hand over running the offense to a better in game manager. I think Billick is top notch in preparation, motivation and organization, but he is weak in the game management area. We see it in many ways.

    He needs to let an OC run the offense during the game and stay out of it.
    Ummm .... huh???

    That "top notch" preperation and motivation has produced anemic offenses season after season. This year, that "top notch" coach has this team leading the league (once again) in penalties. And can you tell me the NFL player who has the most fumbles? Yep, thats right, its Steve McNair.

    I dont see how letting an OC call plays translates into even moderate success given camp cupcake and Billick.
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    We *have* had years with an effective offense
    When????
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    2001, 2006. 2003. Notable in 2001 and 2003 was that we were also overcoming significant deficiencies in the quality of available personnel. I'm not even including 2000, when our offense was arguably "effective," insofar as we did win the Superbowl.
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    2001, 2006. 2003. Notable in 2001 and 2003 was that we were also overcoming significant deficiencies in the quality of available personnel. I'm not even including 2000, when our offense was arguably "effective," insofar as we did win the Superbowl.
    I wouldn't include 2000 at all. QB change in the middle of the season. 5 games without a touchdown. That's not effective. We just had the defense to overcome that.

    Killing Rich Gannon and not allowing New York over the 50 yard line more than once an entire game is how we won the Super Bowl.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    We could have run for the first down and probably gotten 5-6 yards, they were playing pass.
    Probably? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe McGahee gets caught in the backfield and loses 3 yards and puts Stover out of range.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by WxKevin View Post
    Probably? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe McGahee gets caught in the backfield and loses 3 yards and puts Stover out of range.
    True. But with the pass protection not being there all day, who is to say Chester or Odgen doesn't let someone else through to sack Boller for 9 yards, and then you're still out of field goal range.

    Running ball was the only real option in that situation. If you can't trust your OL and your RB to get one single yard, then what does that say?




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Honestly, I agree that on the surface, running the ball is a better decision.


    HOWEVER


    They had 3 time outs. It really wouldn't have mattered if they had made the stop anyway, which is possible even if we ran the ball. People are acting like that yard is guaranteed when you run it. It isn't, even if you think that running it is better.


    If they had no timeouts, or even just 2, I'd agree. But in this case, I can put the loss solely on Billick's playcall there.


    the biggest decision has to be kicking to cribbs / not having Rhys Lloyd active.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClericBlackDave View Post
    They had 3 time outs. It really wouldn't have mattered if they had made the stop anyway, which is possible even if we ran the ball. People are acting like that yard is guaranteed when you run it. It isn't, even if you think that running it is better.
    BUT..........

    It's not 3rd and 1, it's 2nd and 1. Even if we don't make the yard, we have another down to run the ball with. And Cleveland has to take 1, maybe 2 timeouts before we attempt the FG or kick deep and go to overtime. Maybe Cleveland doesn't get the ball down that far and only has one TO to burn at that point.

    Passing the ball can stop the clock, and save all Cleveland's TO's. It was the wrong thing to do.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    BUT..........

    It's not 3rd and 1, it's 2nd and 1. Even if we don't make the yard, we have another down to run the ball with. And Cleveland has to take 1, maybe 2 timeouts before we attempt the FG or kick deep and go to overtime. Maybe Cleveland doesn't get the ball down that far and only has one TO to burn at that point.

    Passing the ball can stop the clock, and save all Cleveland's TO's. It was the wrong thing to do.
    Exactly.

    I have yet to hear an argument that makes sense of Billick's play calling in that situation.

    Really, it's football 101.

    PP




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Exactly.

    I have yet to hear an argument that makes sense of Billick's play calling in that situation.

    Really, it's football 101.

    PP

    I agree on the 2nd and 1. At this same time, think about it. It was a 47 yarder where it stood. Any loss in yardage could be a missed field goal with stover's leg.


    If we had gotten it down to the 20, then its obviously to run it twice on 2nd and 1


    As it was, I can't put the entire blame on Billick, although I'd rather have a different offense coordinator, I agree.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Exactly.

    I have yet to hear an argument that makes sense of Billick's play calling in that situation.

    Really, it's football 101.

    PP
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Running the ball at least once was called for if for no other reason that to mix up the play calling for balance. Something bad can happen regardless of what you do. We were averaging over 5 yards per carry in any case.

    You run, get the first down, maybe try a pass to get closer in the next 3 plays, a run or two to force their TOs and run clock. If we had gotten that first down their TOs would have been burned up and they still would have had less time than they had. Not getting that first down was a killer.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    They had 3 timeouts. The clock was not as much of an ally as many here are saying. The important thing was the first down, not the running of the clock.

    :2c:, I don't anticipate persuading anybody. Just my opinion.
    But you're forgetting that if they wouldn't have had any timeouts, they wouldn't have had any time to move down the field and make their kick!




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    BUT..........

    It's not 3rd and 1, it's 2nd and 1. Even if we don't make the yard, we have another down to run the ball with. And Cleveland has to take 1, maybe 2 timeouts before we attempt the FG or kick deep and go to overtime. Maybe Cleveland doesn't get the ball down that far and only has one TO to burn at that point.

    Passing the ball can stop the clock, and save all Cleveland's TO's. It was the wrong thing to do.
    Yes.....




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