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  1. Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.



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    I'm through with Billick...I always liked the guy, but goddamn
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    I always doubt when someone posts something like I'm getting ready to post, and I did not hear this straight from the horses mouth, so take it for what's it's worth.

    But

    Someone with ties to the owner told me that Bischotti and Billick already have a buyout agreement in place, and it will be executed if there is not marked improvement in the Ravens offense, beginning with the Cincinnati game.

    Again, I did not hear this directly, but it is from a person I trust.

    We'll see....




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    Sorry, but personal insults are a no no.
    Personal insults? Where was there a personal insult. Did I say anyone was stupid? No. I said that comment that stover needs to go was stupid.

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    Nevermind... I realize what happened. I did not see the moderator edit tag
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    47 yards was still long for Stover. We were trying to pick up a few more yards. People are just looking for reasons to bash Billick with that call. The defense and special teams could have stepped up to stop the browns on 2 back to back drives.
    That doesnt make any sense.

    Billick did the same thing during the Jets and Cardinals game. By passing, the clock stop on incompletion, giving the Browns the advantage with the clock. Also, the run WAS working. Three runs up the gut in that situation and the Browns dont have enough time to get that gift field goal.

    Bye bye, Brian. I got nothing against him personally, but he needs a change of jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXXV View Post
    I always doubt when someone posts something like I'm getting ready to post, and I did not hear this straight from the horses mouth, so take it for what's it's worth.

    But

    Someone with ties to the owner told me that Bischotti and Billick already have a buyout agreement in place, and it will be executed if there is not marked improvement in the Ravens offense, beginning with the Cincinnati game.

    Again, I did not hear this directly, but it is from a person I trust.

    We'll see....
    I pray that you are sooooo right!!! Billick is not a smart coach. Never has been, never will be. A good coach makes the difference when he doesn't have very much to work with, because of injuries and personnel. Key decisions yesterday could have resulted in a win for us.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    From what I could stomach reading this thread you all say that Billick should go because he didn't call a running play. YET what would you all be saying if he had called the running play and A) McGhee goes backwards for loss of yards, B) Boller or McGhee drop the ball and Cleveland recovers, or C) both 2-1 and 3-1 the ball goes nowhere fast and were stuck with a long field goal that may or may not make it through the uprights???

    Stop blaming Billick for every little thing this team does or doesn't do. He doesn't pick who is on Special Teams...that would be Frank Ganz (sp?) Jr. He doesn't pick who is active for the Defense...again, that would be Rex Ryan. And from what I understand from the Willie McGhee show, Boller has been calling some audibles in the huddle and who knows if and when he decides to make the change in the play. So to say we should have done this or done that is just pointless.

    Now I have to go. My posts are malfunctioning so I can't review the play on the field.
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Billick is so wrapped up in calling plays and trying to save his ass in the eyes of the world.He has lost touch with what is happening in the game.Obviously his play calling chart,and what to call in certain situations is totally skewed.

    Billick if you want to save your neck,put down your playbook next season and let the new Off' co'ord bring in his own.He should become a Joe Paterno type coach.Just standing on the sideline as a figurehead,letting his co-ordinators run the gametime show.
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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    that series yes you can blame Billick for and the calls that he made/didn't make, but the entire game and the loss is not Billicks fault imo.

    Play calling can always be questioned by us the fans, no matter if we win or lose the game.

    I am however in the Billick should go band.....this offense with him as the HC (no matter if next season he totally gives up reins of the offense to another or not) will never improve, and after 9 yrs seems as if to me he doesn't have the same ability to get this team prepared week in and week out.......same old song and dance speach probably before the game and during halftime I guess
    "Is it me or does Billick seem a bit in his Post game Interviews? or is it he's just and doesn't know what to do?"




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    How many timeouts did Cleveland have when they got the ball back? I don't remember. If it was 2 then running and not making the 1st down wouldn't have made a difference.

    Second, for those who weren't at the stadium, the wind was swirling in the stadium. FGs were not a given yesterday as could be seen by Dawsons miss in the 1st quarter and his near miss to end the game...oh sorry, the end of the game that was overturned. If for some reason Willis got caught in the backfield now you are talking about a 50 yard FG in that swirling wind.

    There were pros and cons to running/not running on that play.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by OwingsMillsAlex View Post
    From what I could stomach reading this thread you all say that Billick should go because he didn't call a running play. YET what would you all be saying if he had called the running play and A) McGhee goes backwards for loss of yards, B) Boller or McGhee drop the ball and Cleveland recovers, or C) both 2-1 and 3-1 the ball goes nowhere fast and were stuck with a long field goal that may or may not make it through the uprights???

    Stop blaming Billick for every little thing this team does or doesn't do.
    In all three cases I would say he made that right call. That's the point. Running the ball twice, or at LEAST once is the no-brainer coaching move of the year.

    Instead he decided to pass so the negative scenarios were: A) interception, B) incomplete passes that stop the clock and give the other team the opportunity to tie the game. Guess which one happened.

    I agree that you can't blame the coaches for every single thing that happens on the field. The players play the game. But this was an obvious case where the coach made the wrong the decisions and it cost the team the game. As purplepoe pointed out, the worst part is he did the same thing earlier this year and ADMITTED he made a mistake. AND THEN HE DID IT AGAIN!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Here is the answer from NFL.com:
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    3-M.Stover kicks 66 yards from BAL 30 to CLE 4. 16-J.Cribbs to CLE 43 for 39 yards (28-J.Winborne). 1-10-CLE 43 (:26) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 84-J.Jurevicius ran ob at CLE 49 for 6 yards. 2-4-CLE 49 (:11) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass deep middle to 17-B.Edwards to BAL 33 for 18 yards (21-C.McAlister). Timeout #1 by CLE at 00:03. 1-10-BAL 33 (:03) (Field Goal formation) 4-P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil. Kick hit crossbars and bounced back. Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and REVERSED. (Field Goal formation) 4-P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil. CLV 30 BLT 30 Plays: 3 Possession: 0:26

    Cleveland took their 1st time out for the end of regulation FG. Running it on 3rd down would not have changed anything as Cleveland would have immediately taken a timeout to stop the clock. Even if they ran on 2nd AND 3rd down, Cleveland would have taken timeouts on both plays and still have a timeout to set up for a FG.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by WxKevin View Post
    Here is the answer from NFL.com:
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    3-M.Stover kicks 66 yards from BAL 30 to CLE 4. 16-J.Cribbs to CLE 43 for 39 yards (28-J.Winborne). 1-10-CLE 43 (:26) 3-D.Anderson pass short right to 84-J.Jurevicius ran ob at CLE 49 for 6 yards. 2-4-CLE 49 (:11) (Shotgun) 3-D.Anderson pass deep middle to 17-B.Edwards to BAL 33 for 18 yards (21-C.McAlister). Timeout #1 by CLE at 00:03. 1-10-BAL 33 (:03) (Field Goal formation) 4-P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil. Kick hit crossbars and bounced back. Play Challenged by Replay Assistant and REVERSED. (Field Goal formation) 4-P.Dawson 51 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-64-R.Pontbriand, Holder-15-D.Zastudil. CLV 30 BLT 30 Plays: 3 Possession: 0:26

    Cleveland took their 1st time out for the end of regulation FG. Running it on 3rd down would not have changed anything as Cleveland would have immediately taken a timeout to stop the clock. Even if they ran on 2nd AND 3rd down, Cleveland would have taken timeouts on both plays and still have a timeout to set up for a FG.
    Kevin, I have to disagree. In fact it underscores the point. They had 3 seconds to kick the field goal. If we run it twice they most likely do not have that time. Even a run for no gain typically takes a few more seconds off the clock than the short incomplete passes we attempted.

    At the very least, it puts more pressure on Cleveland knowing they only have one TO left to setup the FG.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Kevin: I like our chances to convert when running on 2nd or 3rd and 1 better. If you get a first down, not only do you force them to take one TO, but to burn all 3.

    Who knows, if you run it, maybe they don't even get to that last pass. The FG was taken at 4 seconds.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    OK....my point about Billick-Stover is very simple

    If Billick is so scared that Stover cannot make a 47 yard field goal....making that the reason he decides to throw on 3rd and 1 instead of running....then that is a problem. Stover needs to have Billick's confidence to make a FG of that range...You have to trust your kicker. If Billick can't trust Stover, then what's the point. Get a new kicker that Billick trusts to make a kick you really need to make to be effective in the NFL.

    Sorry for the other, but also next time, please look at context. I in no way said Stover sucks and needs to go. I said either Billick doesn't trust him, or Billick called a dumb play independent of that....both of which are bad things.




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    Re: Why don't we run it to win? Time for Billick to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    OK....my point about Billick-Stover is very simple

    If Billick is so scared that Stover cannot make a 47 yard field goal....making that the reason he decides to throw on 3rd and 1 instead of running....then that is a problem. Stover needs to have Billick's confidence to make a FG of that range...You have to trust your kicker. If Billick can't trust Stover, then what's the point. Get a new kicker that Billick trusts to make a kick you really need to make to be effective in the NFL.

    Sorry for the other, but also next time, please look at context. I in no way said Stover sucks and needs to go. I said either Billick doesn't trust him, or Billick called a dumb play independent of that....both of which are bad things.

    oh I would have to say that Stover is the only player Billick has confidence in, and personally speaking why shouldn't he? after all he's been our best player in Billick's tenure as HC here.....
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