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  1. #31

    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.



    I agree 100%. Heap can't seem to stay on the field and that detracts from my impressions of him as a player.

    Sure...he's pretty solid while healthy, but at this point, I'd still take KWII, Gates, Witten, Clark, Watson, Cooley, and maybe even ancient Gonzo over heap. These guys can generally stay on the field and might be different players in some ways, but all of them are very effective.

    That's nothing against Heap while he's healthy, when he's a go, he's as good a TE as you can wish for catching the ball. He blocking leaves a lot to be desired, but you get what you get.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/toddheap/...e?id=HEA302949

    2007 Baltimore Ravens 6 6 23 239 10.4 37 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    2006 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 73 765 10.5 30 6 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    2005 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 75 855 11.4 48 7 -- -- -- -- -- 2 1
    2004 Baltimore Ravens 6 5 27 303 11.2 37 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 57 693 12.2 33T 3 3 21 7.0 9 0 1 0
    2002 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 68 836 12.3 43 6 4 38 9.5 15 0 -- --
    2001 Baltimore Ravens 12 6 16 206 12.9 24T 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1

    Besides 2004, this is the first year he has missed starts since he was backing up Shannon Sharpe. And these are games he played in, not just active for.

    I know, BELIEVE ME I KNOW, it seems like he misses a lot of time but he actually is pretty damn durable considering the hits he takes.

    He's a devout Mormon. Don't they forgo drugs of any kind? I don't think he can even get a cortisone shot. That's why he seems to take forever to heal.
    I think you are confusing Mormons with Christian Scientists.

    http://www.pbs.org/mormons/faqs/

    Latter-day Saints believe that the body is a gift from God to be cared for and respected, not to be polluted or abused. In their daily lives, Saints follow a set of health guidelines Joseph Smith received from God in 1833 called the Word of Wisdom. As interpreted today, this code states that Mormons should abstain from coffee and tea, alcohol, tobacco and illegal drugs. Over time there has been dispute and changing mores within the church regarding exactly what the Word of Wisdom disallows. For example, the original document warned against drinking any hot beverages, but over time this has come to be interpreted as only hot beverages containing caffeine. Some debate remains over whether cold caffeinated beverages like colas should also be avoided; the church's official policy is to leave it up to individuals to decide.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExiledRaven View Post
    I agree 100%. Heap can't seem to stay on the field and that detracts from my impressions of him as a player.

    Sure...he's pretty solid while healthy, but at this point, I'd still take KWII, Gates, Witten, Clark, Watson, Cooley, and maybe even ancient Gonzo over heap. These guys can generally stay on the field and might be different players in some ways, but all of them are very effective.

    That's nothing against Heap while he's healthy, when he's a go, he's as good a TE as you can wish for catching the ball. He blocking leaves a lot to be desired, but you get what you get.

    Winslow has missed a lot of time since entering the league remember the motorcycle accident. Cooley just became effective late last season. Gonzo gets injured every year I know due to FF. Theonly one that stays moe healthy is Gates and he is by far the #1, but we get just as much if not more out of Heap than any of the others being mentioned. It is unfair to consider him against Gonzo as he has been KC's only WR for years. I think due to a bad season fans are starting to grab at any reason they can to make an excuse. Heap is great and willbe great for years!
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  4. #34

    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayvens52 View Post
    You may be the dumbest person I have ever met. Yea i'm sure everytime he lines up he's like oh shit i hope that guys 2 feet in front of me doesn't hit me i'm so scared, but god i hope when i get free over the middle i get crushed since that is what always happens, but just don't let this DE hit me
    You say you watch every game, well i would tell you that you need to stay sober one day and watch a game because you have no clue what the hell you are talking about!!!!!
    I will take my apology after you ACTUALLY WATCH him trya nd block this weekend. It really is THAT bad. The ammount of times that he COMPLETELY misses blocks on the move is ALARMING. Any sort of sweep or stretch play where he can't jsut lock on to whom is in front of him is a GUARANTEED whif. When he is locked up with someone he is damn likely to get overwhlemed. I really, really honestly mean this from watching the runblockign closely, that MARK CLAYTON is a better Runblocker then Heap.
    I challenge you to watch closely Heap and his blocking skills this week. I would be completely surprised if there weren't a lot of posts on here monday talking about it.

    BTW, we've never met.
    Also, BTW, I don't think we should cut Heap, just explaining that he is not what people make him out to be, has NEVER had elite stats, and quite frankly, would be a VERY low priority to re-sign when his time comes. I liek the guy and think he has been a great asset to this team. But he is simply not elite, never has been and never will be.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rayvens52 View Post
    Winslow has missed a lot of time since entering the league remember the motorcycle accident. Cooley just became effective late last season. Gonzo gets injured every year I know due to FF. Theonly one that stays moe healthy is Gates and he is by far the #1, but we get just as much if not more out of Heap than any of the others being mentioned. It is unfair to consider him against Gonzo as he has been KC's only WR for years. I think due to a bad season fans are starting to grab at any reason they can to make an excuse. Heap is great and willbe great for years!
    I'm not grabbing at reasons and excuses. Heap is one of the most overrated players by Baltimoreans. That is NOT to say he's not good. But half the fan base acts like he's a perennial all-pro. He is better than above average, and is only on the very fringes of elite TE discussion, brought up by Baltimore fans and essentially no one else. Is it the QB not getting him the ball, him being hurt? Who knows. But being off the field for such long stretches is a concern, plain and simple.

    Heap is also a great guy, but that doesn't get you a job, ask Kyle Boller. If and/or when the Ravens resign Heap, it's not going to be to some record contract, it should be in line with the second tier TEs.

    Cooley just being effective starting last year is both irrelevant and wrong. I guess 71 catches 774 yards, 7 TDs in 2005 is a bad year. If that's so, Heap's pretty lame as that's about on par with Heap's best showings in his career (68-836-6, 73-855-7, 73-765-6). KWII was hurt before, sure, but outside one freak leg break he's healthy when on the field and, in my opinion, a far superior threat in the passing game compared to Heap. I don't think you can leave Witten out...I think he's probably the best all-around TE in the league and if not, he's so close it's just going to be bickering.

    Heap is still a damn good player, missing him AND wilcox really kills the offense cause Billick's always been a big lover of TEs. 2000 team had two of the best TEs in a long time...Sharpe and Ben Coates. Excuse, no, Billick should be able to adjust his scheme to compensate, period.
    Last edited by ExiledRaven; 11-16-2007 at 02:22 PM.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poe86 View Post
    He's a devout Mormon. Don't they forgo drugs of any kind? I don't think he can even get a cortisone shot. That's why he seems to take forever to heal.
    You got it!!!




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    What makes Heap special in Baltimore, is that for YEARS he was the *only* playmaker in the passing game, and I include the quarterback position in the passing game.

    Is he the best TE in the NFL? No. But he is one of the top 5 pass catching TE's in football.

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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    I think Heap has to start to learn how to protect himself.That means if the extra yard is not there.Go down.If you see that safety or LB coming in,go down to avoid him.

    Fred Taylor said he changed his running style with the Jags,to stop taking the big hit and suffering injuries.And here he is breaking 10,000 yards.
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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rochardrik View Post
    You got it!!!
    Uh, no, he doesn't, Mormons don't use caffeine, alcohol or ILLEGAL drugs. There is no part of the LDS Church philosophy that precludes using legal drugs.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    http://www.nfl.com/players/toddheap/...e?id=HEA302949

    2007 Baltimore Ravens 6 6 23 239 10.4 37 1 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    2006 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 73 765 10.5 30 6 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    2005 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 75 855 11.4 48 7 -- -- -- -- -- 2 1
    2004 Baltimore Ravens 6 5 27 303 11.2 37 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    2003 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 57 693 12.2 33T 3 3 21 7.0 9 0 1 0
    2002 Baltimore Ravens 16 16 68 836 12.3 43 6 4 38 9.5 15 0 -- --
    2001 Baltimore Ravens 12 6 16 206 12.9 24T 1 -- -- -- -- -- 1 1

    Besides 2004, this is the first year he has missed starts since he was backing up Shannon Sharpe. And these are games he played in, not just active for.

    I know, BELIEVE ME I KNOW, it seems like he misses a lot of time but he actually is pretty damn durable considering the hits he takes.
    Greg, I think you are missing my point.

    Heap, as much as I like him, has suited up many times and played either and 1/4 to a 1/2 of some games. In fact, he's done it twice this season.

    And that can be even more detrimental than actually being inactive.

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  11. #41

    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php

    Someone else that has agreed with me... Never better then 5th... Usually MUCH lower.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te.php

    Someone else that has agreed with me... Never better then 5th... Usually MUCH lower.
    Wellllllllll, again we're using nothing but numbers to determine worth and production. And as we all know, numbers alone don't say everything.

    I would put Gates and Gonzalez ahead of Heap. I might put Witten and Shockey ahead of him too. But no way in hell is Alge Crumpler better than Todd Heap. Same with Calvin Cooley or McMichael.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    The key to that list is "We cannot yet fully separate the performance of a receiver from the performance of his quarterback. Be aware that one will affect the other."

    The only TEs who gets into the top ten without decent QB play are Gonzalez and Crumpler. And arguably Gates, who is a much better TE than Rivers is a QB.

    Interesting that he ranked as the worst TE in the league in 2003, but I guess that can't be helped when you're the only option on a team QBed by a rookie Boller and Wright.




  14. #44

    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Quote Originally Posted by purplepoe View Post
    Greg, I think you are missing my point.

    Heap, as much as I like him, has suited up many times and played either and 1/4 to a 1/2 of some games. In fact, he's done it twice this season.

    And that can be even more detrimental than actually being inactive.

    PP

    I agree. Its the game where he is active and the starter and cannot complete the game that are especially a problem.


    Honestly, obviously this team has/had bigger concerns than at TE. This includes issues at QB, O-line, RB, WR, etc


    But with Mason, Clayton, DWill, and darling under contract, that position is now relatively stable

    RB, McGahee is the guy, like it or not, for a while

    At o-line, we have the future with Terry/Yanda/Gaither and Brown/Chester/Grubbs


    But with Wilcox nicked up / injury prone and heap also, TE is becomming a point of concern.


    Sypnewski is showing better hands than I'd expect, but also guilty of a killer fumble or two and also not great at getting separation


    If we had to choose between paying heap the same and drafting another TE, at this point, i think you'd have to consider drafting a new TE. If he took #2 type TE money, then fine. But right now this contract is more paying him for what he did first coming into the league more than what he's done recently.




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    Re: We need to talk about Todd Heap.

    Todd Heap is a warrior, this guy over the years has taken shots from defenders that hurt just watching 'em. He's been on the recieving end of throws over the years of passers that stared down their primary read enabling the DBs and Linebackers to get clean big shots on him. The QBs if anything have contributed to Heaps injuries all though I don't see them as significant all things consider'd . Part of the QBs job is to protect their recievers, this doesn't happen here.

    Todd Heaps place in the NFLs top ten tight end list can be debated but anyone who has paid even a little bit of attention to Raven games over the years can never question this mans heart or willingness to go to war for his teammates.




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