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    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.



    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    I will go on record as stating that Boller will perform as horribly as he has always done his entire career. How he played this season against the Rams and Buffalo is as good as you will get out of Kyle Boller. He is what he is as Billick would say, and that ain't much!
    But are you willing to say your were wrong if he does good enough to win the starting job for years to come? That is yet to be seen as well.




  2. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by festivus View Post
    I dunno. A lot of this talk about the failure of the 'system' seems to gloss over the success we had in our passing game last year, until week 17. Not counting Grbac, I think we have had for Billick's entire tenure here a string of bad - mediocre quarterbacks. It's not like any of them left the Ravens to go light it up for somebody else, it's just a position where for whatever reason the dice have not rolled in our favor.

    But we are each repeating things we've said elsewhere, and I don't want to belabor the point.
    Agreed. I guess my final point in the thread is that I wonder how mediocre some of these QB's would be if they had the pieces around them to succeed. Even Elvis didn't, and before he retired at least he took us to the playoffs.

    For that matter, if you want to get technical Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright led the team to the playoffs in 2003.

    If you really want to cut hairs, we were 1:42 away from being in the playoffs in 2004 (remember, if we had held Cincinatti after pulling ahead at the end of that game, we would have been 10-6 and in), and that was with Kyle Boller. And that was with Travis Taylor going out in week 1, and Todd Heap being out for 10 games. Boller had a winning record that year throwing to Moore as his #1 receiver, and I forgot who the TE's were then. I think Wilcox and one other guy. Hell, after this season's debacle so far I'd take 9-7 in a heartbeat.

    People don't often realize those things.




  3. #33

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenator
    But are you willing to say your were wrong if he does good enough to win the starting job for years to come?
    If Boller does well, Tex will change his screen name for about the tenth or eleventh time and come sneaking back in here acting like someone new, but spouting the same crap that he always spouts regardless of the name he goes by.




  4. #34

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    I also predict that the Hugger crowd will be pulling out every excuse in the book, i.e., Heap is hurt, the play calling, the OL, players not willing to play hard for Boller, and on and on. It will never be Blunderboy's fault, unless he actually gets so putrid that even the Huggers give up on him, which is bound to happen if he attempts to play the position long enough. If I have to see them trot out the Packers and Vikings game from years ago and the infamous two game stretch Boller played last year which included horribly thrown tipped TD passes that artificially inflated his rating I am afraid I will retch! Even worse is when they try to use his 19-17 career W-L record as a positive which is ludicrous considering McNair even on the last legs of his career immediately took essentially the same team to a 13-3 record.

    I will go on record as stating that Boller will perform as horribly as he has always done his entire career. How he played this season against the Rams and Buffalo is as good as you will get out of Kyle Boller. He is what he is as Billick would say, and that ain't much!
    That was a whole lot more than we got from McNair!




  5. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by StingerNLG View Post
    I think Wilcox and one other guy. Hell, after this season's debacle so far I'd take 9-7 in a heartbeat.

    People don't often realize those things.
    Yes, because they are hysterical, and have short memories.

    Darnell Dinkins, I believe.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  6. #36

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    That was a whole lot more than we got from McNair!
    Say what you want about mcnair. The fact is Boller has yet to guide this team to a playoff game or a 13-3 record.

    Boller has a golden opportunity. I'm in favor of him being in the starters spot but there is nothing in his past that suggests he can turn this thing around. If he does, its great but if he cant isn't it time to move on? The fans arent really thrilled about him playing because you have threads where posters are hoping to see a medicore appearance. Again hoping that the strength of this team (Defense) seals up wins. I see this as his Very Last Chance. If he doesn't make things happen....hes gone along with Billick.
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  7. #37

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    Say what you want about mcnair. The fact is Boller has yet to guide this team to a playoff game or a 13-3 record.

    Boller has a golden opportunity. I'm in favor of him being in the starters spot but there is nothing in his past that suggests he can turn this thing around. If he does, its great but if he cant isn't it time to move on? The fans arent really thrilled about him playing because you have threads where posters are hoping to see a medicore appearance. Again hoping that the strength of this team (Defense) seals up wins. I see this as his Very Last Chance. If he doesn't make things happen....hes gone along with Billick.
    Interesting post, Crazy.

    I agree with almost all of it. But if what you say of Boller is true, and he does not make much out of this Very Last Chance, why would you also get rid of Billick? Aren't you then saying you have a failure of coaching (why you're getting rid of Billick) and of personnel (why you're getting rid of your best qb and one-time quarterback of the future)? I suppose the answer could be yes, but I am curious for your take.

    I guess I'm just not persuaded it's Billick's fault. We *have* had productive offenses over the years, after all, it's just never been in the form of a high flying aerial assault. 2001, 2004 and 2006 all saw efficient offenses, despite serious personnel deficiencies (in 01) in the rushing game and (in 04) in the passing game. Then last year we were golden until Steve McNair somehow got old all at once before the Bills game.

    It's not like we've *never* had an offense. We've just never had the crowd pleasing greatest show on turf that electrifies the fans. And all this despite significant problems at the skill positions over those years.

    Anyway, Crazy, curious to bounce these thoughts off you.
    Festivus

    His definitions and arguments were so clear in his own mind that he was unable to understand how any reasonable person could honestly differ with him.




  8. #38

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Darnell Dinkins. Right on the tip of my tongue. He's another one that ended up on the Browns, if he is even still there. Thanks Festivus.




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    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    21.625 or 22nd, which is our average final offensive placement among the 32 NFL teams since Billick has been here.....and we've never been higher than 14th ('01).....

    I think we could use a different gameplan here folks.......




  10. #40

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Aren't you then saying you have a failure of coaching (why you're getting rid of Billick) and of personnel (why you're getting rid of your best qb and one-time quarterback of the future)? I suppose the answer could be yes, but I am curious for your take.
    First of all you cant blame Billick for boller. That is not what I was suggesting. The two are separate issues. Boller has had all kinds of tutors, coaches, bench time and on the job training. Still as of this point in his career he is nothing more than a backup who was a projected 1st round pick superstar. We paid 2 picks for him , some would argue 3, and we just renegotiated his contract but we haven't seen any kind of real production out him unless it was garbage time towards the end of a losing season

    I want the kid to do well but its hard to root for a guy who plays the way he does.

    Billick righted the ship and brought home the trophy in merely 2 short years. I like the guy. I really do but something needs to change. When your offense hasn't changed year after year and you brought in all types of offensive coaches( that he has the power to hire and fire ), along with all the players-- then its time to point the finger at the HC.

    The 2 minute drills are horrible. We see Penalties on both sides of the ball that simply kill the team. The coach favor his starters to a fault and wont pull them when the starter is falling flat. Billick has stated several times before or after games that didn't sense the "intensity of the team"-- That falls on him. All to often we are left wondering if he is in control of his team. Where is the offense? Where is the support from the teams most dominating player? These are many reasons why he should go.
    Last edited by crazyraven; 11-16-2007 at 05:17 PM.
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  11. #41

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4G63 View Post
    Does anyone want to see Troy Smith? I, for one, think he should get his turn, as long as we're not "in" a game. Basically, see if he's worth a shit. I'd like to see how he does against a Stealers, Colts, or Pats "D", even if they are playing a 'prevent' in the 2nd half.....
    I do, the guy can play.............. GO BUCKS!!




  12. #42

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    Quote Originally Posted by danzor123 View Post
    I do, the guy can play.............. GO BUCKS!!
    Just curious. Not that I can say one way or another because I have only seen him in pre-season action, but if the guy can play then why was he passed over for 6 rounds in the draft?

    A part of me still thinks there's something the other 31 teams don't see in him. I just wonder what it is, not knowing enough about him.




  13. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    Apparently you were in outer space or cloistered in a monastery with no access to any type of media during the NFL draft last year or you would certainly have to know the issue with Smith is he is vertically challenged. Yet you want to bash others for lack of football knowledge? Amazing, just totally beyond belief what I read here sometimes!
    His height was indeed discussed ad nauseam. However, watching him in pre-season, I have to say, he looked terrified and was scrambling for his life. Not having gone against a group of starters (defense) it is tough to say how exactly he will perform. Given the porousness of our current O-Line starters, i can't help but think it would be more of the same. His pre-season pass completion percentage was less than 50 percent against second or 3rd string defenses. I want to say lets see what the kid can do, but as of right now, I do not think he is ready. But, I suppose the argument "It can't be any worse than what we have now" can be inserted here, as I am sure it will be... (Queue Tex Ritter )
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




  14. #44

    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    See, Dave, this is what happens when you quote Tex, the rest of us have to read his ramblings.

    I have forgotten more about football than Tex knows in his so-called 50 years of watching. This from a man who thought the NFL Draft was a way to get athletes to join the military.

    A nice try Tex, but my disinterest in Troy Smith and the fact I didn't follow this college career (I bet without having to go and google it, Tex doesn't even know what college Troy Smith went to) is not even close to your ineptitude of not knowing simple concepts of football, and the endless rediculous statements everyone around here laughs at and slaps you around about.
    Last edited by StingerNLG; 11-28-2007 at 09:59 AM.




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    Re: Billick: Boller could possibly start remainder of season.

    ACK... I forgot about the "no quoting" rule. sorry bro. I will work on that.
    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman!




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