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    Implications of a new coach



    Say we fire Billick. what players have to go as well?

    I don't see how a new coach could deal with an ego like Ray Lewis. He was on the radio last night talking about "his" secondary. I thought Ray was a player on a team and a linebacker at that. Since when did he take ownership of the secondary. Ray Lewis undermines the coach. You can't have that with a new guy.

    A new coach is going to have to bring these guys together as a team and I think our defense has considered themselves another team within the team.

    Billick has let the veterans pretty much do their thing. A new coach can't do that. I think alot of guys on this team think they want a new coach, but may be in for a rude awakening if we get one.




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    I could see how a bit of a rebuild could do good. What if we tag and trade Suggs, Trade Ray, let McNair, Rolle and Ogden retire. We could then cut or trade Mason and MA. A bunch of spare parts around that could change as well. I think that would allow us to bring in talent in three ways. Young FA's with enhanced cap space, potentially some young guys buried on depth charts from above trades, and enhanced draft picks. In all three cases, I think the key is to get younger. We need to extend Brown and Scott as well.




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    I could see how a bit of a rebuild could do good. What if we tag and trade Suggs, Trade Ray, let McNair, Rolle and Ogden retire. We could then cut or trade Mason and MA. A bunch of spare parts around that could change as well. I think that would allow us to bring in talent in three ways. Young FA's with enhanced cap space, potentially some young guys buried on depth charts from above trades, and enhanced draft picks. In all three cases, I think the key is to get younger. We need to extend Brown and Scott as well.
    I agree with everything except Suggs. You need a premier pass rusher in this league, and Suggs is that. He's young as well.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    what players have to go as well?
    Sayonara:

    McNair, Rolle, Ogden for sure - frees up cap multi-millions.

    Ivy & Troy Smith (just too little to play a big man's game)

    Smith Bros Coughdrops -- if there are decent & healthy LBs to step in.



    On the bubble:


    Flynn (age/salary)
    Figurs (scary watching him try to catch, and he's no 4th WR)
    Stover (if there is a roster numbers issue)
    Suggs (if salary demands cannot be compromised)
    Darling (if a low round BPA beats him in Training Camp)
    Dwan Edwards (if a low round BPA beats him in Training Camp)


    I would not be surprised to see Wilcox and/or Mason move on or retire as well.

    Ray Lewis will be back in 2008 -- unless he displays major attitude problems. Like him or not, he is the heart of a good defense.
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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    Say we fire Billick. what players have to go as well?

    I don't see how a new coach could deal with an ego like Ray Lewis. He was on the radio last night talking about "his" secondary. I thought Ray was a player on a team and a linebacker at that. Since when did he take ownership of the secondary. Ray Lewis undermines the coach. You can't have that with a new guy.

    A new coach is going to have to bring these guys together as a team and I think our defense has considered themselves another team within the team.

    Billick has let the veterans pretty much do their thing. A new coach can't do that. I think alot of guys on this team think they want a new coach, but may be in for a rude awakening if we get one.
    I have no problem taking ownership of the defense. That's a trait of a true leader and he takes ownership when the D plays lousy too.

    Even in the business world, people say it's "their" company / employer. Taking ownership is a good thing that should be promoted. He doesnt do it to undermine anyone.
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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Do you really think McNair will be cut after this year? Worst case scenario I think they let him compete for a backup role in camp, depending on how Boller finishes the year and if we pick a QB up through the draft or free agency.

    Who should be gone:

    Billick
    Rolle
    Ogden
    Flynn
    Mason (may decide to retire if we enter a rebuilding phase)




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Sayonara:

    McNair, Rolle, Ogden for sure - frees up cap multi-millions.

    Ivy & Troy Smith (just too little to play a big man's game)

    Smith Bros Coughdrops -- if there are decent & healthy LBs to step in.



    On the bubble:


    Flynn (age/salary)
    Figurs (scary watching him try to catch, and he's no 4th WR)
    Stover (if there is a roster numbers issue)
    Suggs (if salary demands cannot be compromised)
    Darling (if a low round BPA beats him in Training Camp)
    Dwan Edwards (if a low round BPA beats him in Training Camp)


    I would not be surprised to see Wilcox and/or Mason move on or retire as well.

    Ray Lewis will be back in 2008 -- unless he displays major attitude problems. Like him or not, he is the heart of a good defense.

    Ivy is a decent back-up and he's not breaking the bank. Most teams would be screwed if they lost both their starting corners.

    Eventually this team is going to have to get used to playing without ray. They have done okay in previous years when he pouted his way to injury.




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    Do you really think McNair will be cut after this year? Worst case scenario I think they let him compete for a backup role in camp, depending on how Boller finishes the year and if we pick a QB up through the draft or free agency.

    Who should be gone:

    Billick
    Rolle
    Ogden
    Flynn
    Mason (may decide to retire if we enter a rebuilding phase)

    It would be incredibly foolish to pay Mcnair what he is making to compete for a backup role. Somehow I doubt he will restructure to a vet minimum salary. Mcnair is collecting his retirement right now.




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    I definitely believe that McNair and Ogden will retire after this season. McNair's comments following the game this past Sunday were the comments of a man who has thrown in the towel.

    I love how everyone in the media is consistently saying "If not Billick, than who?" What about Rex Ryan? He's already on the staff, knows the team, and the system. I feel that he's one of the top 3-5 candidates to be a head coach in the coming year, why not snatch him up before he gets away, if that's the direction Biscotti wants to go?




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Don View Post
    I definitely believe that McNair and Ogden will retire after this season. McNair's comments following the game this past Sunday were the comments of a man who has thrown in the towel.

    I love how everyone in the media is consistently saying "If not Billick, than who?" What about Rex Ryan? He's already on the staff, knows the team, and the system. I feel that he's one of the top 3-5 candidates to be a head coach in the coming year, why not snatch him up before he gets away, if that's the direction Biscotti wants to go?
    Is Rex Ryan really a change? I mean, Ray thinks the defense is his not Rex's.. I want someone to come in and kick these players in the ass.. Someone who doesnt care about the players egos..




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Losac
    Who should be gone:

    Billick
    Rolle
    Ogden
    Flynn
    Mason (may decide to retire if we enter a rebuilding phase)
    I can easily see Ogden and Rolle retiring -- in fact, I will be surprised if they don't -- but why should Mason retire? I think he still enjoys playing the game and it's not as if his effectiveness has totally disappeared, as it seems to have with McNair.

    I would be surprised if McNair accepts a backup role beyond this year, but I guess it's possible (although clearly his contract would have to be flushed down the nearest toliet and redone).




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Losac View Post
    Do you really think McNair will be cut after this year? Worst case scenario I think they let him compete for a backup role in camp, depending on how Boller finishes the year and if we pick a QB up through the draft or free agency.
    Yes -- if Boller plays decently for the remainder of the season, or if the Ravens were to pick up a stud in the draft -- McNair would be too expensive to just hang around 1 Winning Drive and carry a clipboard. The cap savings of a post-June cut would be too tempting to ignore, especially for a washed up vet.

    No -- if neither of the above and there is some type of beneficial restructuring of Mcnair's contract. And if there are so many other cuts & retirements that cap money is a non-issue.




    Quote Originally Posted by Last Don View Post
    I definitely believe that McNair and Ogden will retire after this season. McNair's comments following the game this past Sunday were the comments of a man who has thrown in the towel.
    If McNair were to voluntarily retire, he'd walk away from $10+ million, i.e. $4 million 2008 salary & he'd be liable to return over $6 million in bonus money -- not likely. If cut, he'd forego salary, but keep the bonus money. perhaps there would be some compromise parting of the ways -- we can always hope.
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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by crpravens View Post
    Is Rex Ryan really a change? I mean, Ray thinks the defense is his not Rex's.. I want someone to come in and kick these players in the ass.. Someone who doesnt care about the players egos..
    Rex is a defensive coach, and not an offensive genius. He would undoubtedly bring in a fresh, new offensive coordinator who could install his own system.

    Another guy I wouldn't mind seeing is Russ Grimm. I bet he's still pissed about being passed over for the Pittsburgh job and I'm sure he'd leave Arizona for a head coaching job and a chance to play the Stoolers twice a year.

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater
    but why should Mason retire? I think he still enjoys playing the game and it's not as if his effectiveness has totally disappeared, as it seems to have with McNair.
    Not that Mason's not effective anymore, I just think he wants to win as soon as possible and may not want to endure a few losing seasons by being part of a rebuilding process. Seemed he signed here thinking we had a shot at a Super Bowl, which is the one thing he's missing from his career.




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Sorry, but I don't see Rex as being the needed change. If anything I think we'd see less discipline under Rex. He's a jolly fellow and probably alot of fun to play for. That's not what this team needs.

    Put me in as a Cowher guy. I'm a huge Billick fan, and always will be, but I think he's lost the team. The vets run the show, and Billick's message is stale with them. It's a shame, because I think alot of these circumstances are beyond Billick's control. It's hard to bench a QB making the money McNair is making with an all-pro history, and that was a call by the FO. Last year Billick did well calling the plays. I still think he calls a decent game (with the exception of 3 pass plays for 1 yard in Buffalo) but the execution isn't there. The inmates run the asylum and the inmates seem to have the ear of the FO more so than the coach.




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    Re: Implications of a new coach

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    Put me in as a Cowher guy.
    Make that two!




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