What is Kamar's role going forward?

**BigPlayReceiver** · 06-01-2016, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Which still isn't that bad when you consider the entirety of how the 2015 season went down.

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Yup. Completely agree. Torrey was never north of 53% IIRC

**wickedsolo** · 06-01-2016, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

I agree. Aiken would be fighting for the #2 on a bit more than half the AFC based upon my expert 30 seconds scan-alysis.

That said, if you wake me from a 4 month coma at the conclusion of the 2016 season and tell me that Aiken led the club in <pick some WR category> for the season, my immediate response would be: pleeeease tell me that we had Pro Bowl starters at RB and TE.

Seriously.

With the way the roster is shaping up, it almost seems like a lot of people are going to have numbers, but no one is going to have league-leading numbers. Assuming Joe throws around 550-600 passes this year (he threw 413 before getting hurt), I could see it shaking out like this:

Senior ~60 rec
Maxx ~ 40 rec
Watson ~ 30 rec
Wallace ~ 50 rec
Perriman ~ 40 rec
Gilmore ~ 35 rec
Aiken ~ 40 rec
Pitta ~ 35 rec
Forsett ~ 40 rec
KJ ~ 25 rec
Buck ~ 15

Just approximations, but with the level of talent and everyone wanting a piece of the pie, I don't see a 1,000+ yard guy at receiver right now. However, I do see 2-4 guys in that 600-800 yard range and maybe 1-2 guys in that 850-950 range.

If everyone stays healthy and the D can get off the field and create some turnovers in enemy territory, I think Flacco could very easily top 4,000 yards and 30 TD's. Maybe he'll even push 4,500 yards and 35 TD's?

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 06-01-2016, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

Seriously.

With the way the roster is shaping up, it almost seems like a lot of people are going to have numbers, but no one is going to have league-leading numbers. Assuming Joe throws around 550-600 passes this year (he threw 413 before getting hurt), I could see it shaking out like this:

Senior ~60 rec
Maxx ~ 40 rec
Watson ~ 30 rec
Wallace ~ 50 rec
Perriman ~ 40 rec
Gilmore ~ 35 rec
Aiken ~ 40 rec
Pitta ~ 35 rec
Forsett ~ 40 rec
KJ ~ 25 rec
Buck ~ 15

Just approximations, but with the level of talent and everyone wanting a piece of the pie, I don't see a 1,000+ yard guy at receiver right now.

I was saying that too. Like I detailed in my post, if Trestman is smart (which he is) he'll spread the ball and be strategic using complimentary talents.

**wickedsolo** · 06-01-2016, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by GreatWhiteNorthRaven

One thing I do like is Trestman knows how to use his WR's. We saw it in Chicago and I think we saw it a bit before the injury bug came around. Senior was killing it and it's not like he was making circus catches, he was just schemed well and was taking advantage of it.

This is a great point.

I do think Trestman abandons the run too quickly in favor of a high-flying passing attack, but he really does scheme well and he knows how to scheme receivers open.

My hope is that with the speed we now have in Perriman and Wallace, the middle of the field is going to be a treasure trove of yards, 1st downs, and red zone success. Vertical speed on the outside means at least 1 or more DB's is going to have to drop deep leaving linebackers and/or slot corners covering guys like Aiken, Senior, Maxx, Gilmore, and Ben Watson (Pitta too, assuming he's on the team come September). Those are mismatches all day. Let's also not forget that JForce, Buck, Zo, and Richardson all have really good hands out of the backfield. They'll be factors in the passing game too. I didn't mention West because I'm not sure how his hands are. I'm also not mentioning Moore, Reynolds, Camp, Butler, and Waller because I dont know how that group is going to shake out yet.

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 06-01-2016, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

This is a great point.

I do think Trestman abandons the run too quickly in favor of a high-flying passing attack, but he really does scheme well and he knows how to scheme receivers open.

My hope is that with the speed we now have in Perriman and Wallace, the middle of the field is going to be a treasure trove of yards, 1st downs, and red zone success. Vertical speed on the outside means at least 1 or more DB's is going to have to drop deep leaving linebackers and/or slot corners covering guys like Aiken, Senior, Maxx, Gilmore, and Ben Watson (Pitta too, assuming he's on the team come September). Those are mismatches all day. Let's also not forget that JForce, Buck, Zo, and Richardson all have really good hands out of the backfield. They'll be factors in the passing game too. I didn't mention West because I'm not sure how his hands are. I'm also not mentioning Moore, Reynolds, Camp, Butler, and Waller because I dont know how that group is going to shake out yet.

Exactly.

I think the key to havign a potent offense in todays age is exploiting the middle of the field. That's why when we discuss Wallace considerations need ot be given to his off-ball abilities, and literally all the means is his ability to demand respect from a secondary and stretch them out. I would say the same for Perriman but I'm really hoping he's more than a deep threat. He has some tools to get to a #1 caliber, but has a lot of work to do as well.

If you have Perriman and Wallace on the outside, Smith in the slot and Watson at TE. You run deep routes (not necessarily just go routes) with Wallance and Perriman, that's going to drag two cornerbacks down and also make the safeties react (depends on their coverage obviously, but for this example say they're playing a cover 2) the creates an additional 5-10 yards i nthe middle of the field from the time of the snap to the time the ball is thrown and that is where Senior, Aiken (if he's on the field) and the TE's can work some magic and work linebackers that cover like ours (;)).

**Warwick9** · 06-01-2016, 03:36 PM

All this talk is really getting me excited! Trestman has so many tools at his disposal that we can easily attack anywhere on the field with Perriman/Wallace/Smith/Maxx all being able to stretch the field. Smith/Aiken/MadMaxx/Watson/Crockett/Pitta working the middle, and once teams realize they have no choice but to respect the deep ball with Flacco slinging 3-5 deep ones a game, Trestman can take advantage of 1 of his favourite plays with Buck/Dixon working screens.

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 06-01-2016, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Warwick9

All this talk is really getting me excited! Trestman has so many tools at his disposal that we can easily attack anywhere on the field with Perriman/Wallace/Smith/Maxx all being able to stretch the field. Smith/Aiken/MadMaxx/Watson/Crockett/Pitta working the middle, and once teams realize they have no choice but to respect the deep ball with Flacco slinging 3-5 deep ones a game, Trestman can take advantage of 1 of his favourite plays with Buck/Dixon working screens.

That's a good way of saying it. The Buck/Dixon factor is huge and soemthing I actually ignored. Trestman loved ot use Forte and that's one of the reasons I like Dixon as a breakout guy this year.

Also - noticing your from Manitoba, nice to see another maple leaf on here! There's 4 of us now (winnipegraven and jonab are Canadian)

**Warwick9** · 06-01-2016, 03:43 PM

Yeah I've been lurking around the site for probably a few years now, really enjoy most of the conversations had. Figured it was about time I started to partake in the discussion!

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 06-01-2016, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Warwick9

Yeah I've been lurking around the site for probably a few years now, really enjoy most of the conversations had. Figured it was about time I started to partake in the discussion!

Well, welcome my friend and great first thread! Good discussion to start. Makes for something to speculate about while we wait for some evidence on-the-field!

**wickedsolo** · 06-01-2016, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Warwick9

All this talk is really getting me excited! Trestman has so many tools at his disposal that we can easily attack anywhere on the field with Perriman/Wallace/Smith/Maxx all being able to stretch the field. Smith/Aiken/MadMaxx/Watson/Crockett/Pitta working the middle, and once teams realize they have no choice but to respect the deep ball with Flacco slinging 3-5 deep ones a game, Trestman can take advantage of 1 of his favourite plays with Buck/Dixon working screens.

Shoot I completely forgot about Dixon.

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**DarthSizzle55** · 06-01-2016, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I don't really agree with this sentiment. I don't think Kamar is ever going to be a HOF'er or anything, but he's still young and coming off a season where he caught passes from three different guys and literally had scrubs lined up opposite of him. Kamar is a top-3 receiver on most teams' depth chart.

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:word

I wasn't thinking about that but a great point.

**bensmotorcyclehelmt** · 06-01-2016, 04:10 PM

Not sure what this season holds but you gotta think Senior's days are limited.
Hate to say it. Not sure he can get back to that level he did last season.

I think Kamar could be a D. Mason type receiver. Not bad, IMO. He may get #1 receiver coverage if we have no one else, but he's not a true #1. But he still makes those tough catches.

Still, he's a valuable guy, especially until the Ravens get a true #1.