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  1. #16

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only



    all this noodle-arm talk is just a way for T to harp on a decision that he was agaisnt before Mac ever put on a purple jersey or tossed a single ball.

    anyway...just my .02
    Yes & no. I had no problem with the idea of bringing McNair in, although my preference, if we were going all out for a new starter instead of a vet to replace AW and complement Boller, was for Brees or Culpepper. Since the day that Boller arrived, I have been in favor of getting a competent but affordable vet to compete with him and to complement him. What irked me was just naming McNair, at his age and beaten up condition with obviously declining skills, as the starter without competition, and then mortgaging our future by overpaying him.

    Again: I'll eat all my words if McNair can turn things around and become a quality starter. I want nothing more than Ravens victories. I am not relishing the idea of going down to the Big Easy next weekend for an ass-kicking in the Dome.

    Anyway, talk about "harping on a decision": how many Ravens fans who initially saw McNair as the franchise savior are now just simply ignoring his mediocrity?

    As to arm strength, I somewhat agree with Greg. It's not just the inability to throw long. It's the inability to throw mid-range, even short, with zip and accuracy.





  2. #17

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Anyway, talk about "harping on a decision": how many Ravens fans who initially saw McNair as the franchise savior are now just simply ignoring his mediocrity?
    Not this one....but then again, I never epected him to be McNabb, or Brady, or Peyton. I expected him to be better than Boller,Collins, or Culpepper, but worse than those other guys. So far I think I have been right.

    I still think he has a couple more serious runs in him and that his arm strength isn't as bad as some are making it out to be, but you are right in saying that fans who expected Mac to light it up are/were delusional.




  3. #18

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    I expected him to be better than Boller,Collins, or Culpepper, but worse than those other guys. So far I think I have been right.
    We can agree to disagree on that one.

    Collins had too little training camp to be effective at Tenn, so it's hard to judge if he has anything left. He certainly bombed as the intial Titans starter for 2006. Everything else being equal (i.e. not considering the out-year cap impact), I agree that McNair is a better choice, but I am assuming that we could could have picked up Collins at half the price and a one-year deal, and a full training camp. I saw Collins as Wright's replacement who would have competed for the starting job, and losing the competition.

    Culpepper is doing OK with Miami this year, considering the injury. He's got a lifetime rating over 90 and plenty of football ahead of him. Really can't make a call on Culpepper until next season, assuming he gets fully recovered.

    I won't bother to recite the McNair vs. Boller discussion again.

    Last edited by Mista T; 10-18-2006 at 04:44 PM.




  4. #19

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Remember that first drive of the Giants pre-season game? Mac can make the throws.
    WTF -- if you have to go back to the first drive of a preseason game to tell us McNair can make the throws, then we're all in trouble, seeing as how we're six games into the regular season.




  5. #20

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    You mean like McNair did in Denver?

    Oh wait, sorry that was a 34.6.




  6. #21

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Quote Originally Posted by highwater View Post
    WTF -- if you have to go back to the first drive of a preseason game to tell us McNair can make the throws, then we're all in trouble, seeing as how we're six games into the regular season.

    WTF it if you want to, but I think that it (along with several other drives this year) shows that Mac can make the throws when asked.

    I think the dink and dunk says more about the Fassel play selection than the QBs ability to throw down field.




  7. #22

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    If you don't think that "97" is an abberation you are in for a huge letdown. Boller's next chance if on the road he will likely put up a "32".
    Totally agree. There is absolutely no reason to think that KB's 97 rating is anything but an aberration. Take those two TDs away or even add two INTs (since the chances of either are equal) and you have a very different number.




  8. #23

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    or even add two INTs
    Sigh. No now let's just add interceptions to Boller's numbers to bring them down??

    Well, I guess if all three of McNair's INT's were TD's we'd have totally different numbers than a 34.6 too wouldn't we?

    Unbelievable.




  9. #24

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Sigh. No now let's just add interceptions to Boller's numbers to bring them down??

    Well, I guess if all three of McNair's INT's were TD's we'd have totally different numbers than a 34.6 too wouldn't we?

    Unbelievable
    Look, any tipped ball has an equal chance of being:

    Incomplete
    TD
    INT


    I know that isn't how it turned out...but you can't deny the statistical improbability of what happend on Sunday.

    I am simply not willing to credit Boller for the results of those plays. If they had been incomplete or INTs this board would be reacting very differently about his performacne than it is today




  10. #25

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    The first pass was in Mason's catchable range. Sorry, but it was. Hell, even the TV announcers going back and watching said it was a good throw. So you can absolutey give Boller credit for the first tipped pass because the throw was there. The second one of course you give to Clayton. It was a lucky catch.

    That said, I doubt anyone would be reacting so different if they were simply incomplete passes because you don't know 1) What would have happened on the next down, or 2) We still would have lost and instead of a 97 Boller would have had a mid-80's rating which STILL would have been acceptable for a backup coming off the bench with no reps in practice.




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    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    I think the dink and dunk says more about the Fassel play selection than the QBs ability to throw down field.
    Then why the six verticals attempted once Boller came in? Obviously we went downfield a lot more, and even the 20 yard passes were more in evidence. The push downfield was a lot more evident with Boller than it was with McNair.




  12. #27

    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    I was on the fence as far as bringing in McNair. I wanted Brees, and definitely didn't want Collins or Culppeper.

    After seeing McNair play 5 games, I'm now all for letting Boller have at it. I knew McNair wouldn't have the best arm, but I expected his accuracy to be top notch. He is off in every aspect of the game. If we are going to use the excuse that he came into camp late, then let's blame Ozzie for again pussyfooting around and not giving up the 4th rounder on draft day.

    I really don't think his late arrival is an excuse. He is getting worse as time goes on as opposed to better. One way or another we will end up with KB as our QB this season, and we'll be all the better for it. If the Lewis brothers have a problem with that then they can hit the bricks next season.




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    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Quote Originally Posted by Purpleguy View Post
    I really don't think his late arrival is an excuse. He is getting worse as time goes on as opposed to better.
    Quiet, you'll confuse people with facts. I guess as McNair is learning the offense more each week his skills are declining at a more rapid rate!




  14. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    I could be wrong on this but I thought I read a post back this summer during pre-season where a Titan fan stated that McNair is usually slow starting out in a game but comes on as the game progresses.
    Oh, well, if ONE Titans fan said that, it must be true.




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    Re: Stat comparison updated, 2006 QBs only

    Starting out slowly is one thing, but he can't continue to save it all for last two minutes of the game.




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