Re-Tooling the Baltimore Ravens

**AmishlandRavenFan** · 11-24-2015, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by @SumthingObvious

Didn't Monroe play LG when he came in the league or snaps at LG? Get you don't want to pay a Guard Tackle money....but if the BPA is a LT and he is better than Monroe...couldn't you kick Monroe in at G possibly?

At least until you get to an idea on if you want to trade Monroe? Think the FO will be gunshy to add anymore dead money of significant value over the last few years (Pitta, Rice etc)..

Monroe seems to be a finesse/techniqu tackle...not sure how well his play would transition to guard at this point but regardless, they need young talent on the left side so BPA.

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**Jsmoove** · 11-24-2015, 10:50 AM

spot on Post from the OP, the offense needs work at WR position, they need to sure up this Oline, I don't get how Monroe went from being an iron man in J'ville to barely seeing the field at all, we need consistency their much like WR position, people Joe can depend on, not this revolving door. The Ravens need to really evaluate their strength and conditioning program this offseason.

On the defense we really don't know what we have in players under dean pees, they guys are being so under-utilize and not properly coached it's unbelievable. A real DC could get more out of this group, but we do need another top corner, a guy who can stay healthy and a ball hawk, and we need a better strong safety, I think Lewis is being under-used, I went back and watch some of his texans days, he wasn't a splash player but he was always around the ball, he is being asked to do too many things on the back end, like most of our secondary guys. we are about 2-3 play-makers on defense and new innovative, aggressive DC away from this defense coming back to form.

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 11-24-2015, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Jsmoove

On the defense we really don't know what we have in players under dean pees, they guys are being so under-utilize and not properly coached it's unbelievable. A real DC could get more out of this group, b

When looking at the D I think this point is the most critical. We all know Smith is more then what we've seen. One more play maker in that secondary and a scheme that plays to everyone's strengths and I think we improve drastically.

**HotInHere** · 11-24-2015, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gabrosin

If we drafted a LT in the first round and wanted to hold Monroe for a year, we could play the draftee at LG opposite Yanda, because we're not paying for Osemele to return. Urschel could supplant Zuttah at center or remain in a backup role... after all, when Monroe gets hurt, someone has to kick out to LT, and Laremy Tunsil is going to be a better choice than James Hurst there, even with zero experience. We could part with Monroe after one more season and have less of a cap penalty for doing so.

The most important thing with a top five pick is to get an elite player at a crucial position. If you're bad enough for the top five, it basically doesn't matter which one, unless you've already got an elite player there. So the Browns aren't going to draft another left tackle over Joe Thomas, but we damn sure could do better than Eugene Monroe. QB is pretty much the only high-drafted position that's off the table for us; OT, DE/OLB, CB, and WR are all possibilities depending on who's available.

This is an absolutely brilliant post. Nice job.

**ravensnhokies** · 11-24-2015, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mizerooskie

I wish there was a way we could rescue Sammy Watkins from Buffalo.

I was thinking the same thing last nite. Seriously doubt Buffalo would do it but we have some draft capital this year. Our high 2nd round pick this year + one of the comp picks we get (if the McPhee comp is a 3rd maybe not then)??? He probably isn't worth that much considering his production, but you are going to have to pay a high price since he was a high 1st round pick.

Buffalo isn't going to trade him unless he becomes a malcontent and you know the Ravens would not touch him after that.

Pipedream.

**HbgPARavenfan** · 11-25-2015, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by ravensnhokies

I was thinking the same thing last nite. Seriously doubt Buffalo would do it but we have some draft capital this year. Our high 2nd round pick this year + one of the comp picks we get (if the McPhee comp is a 3rd maybe not then)??? He probably isn't worth that much considering his production, but you are going to have to pay a high price since he was a high 1st round pick.

Buffalo isn't going to trade him unless he becomes a malcontent and you know the Ravens would not touch him after that.

Pipedream.

I dont get it, the pipe dream we had for Alshon, was rebuttled by "OMG Hez not worth a 2nd or 3rd pick" yet now people have a pipe dream for Watkins?

I'd take Watkins in a second...Hell Id be happy with Golden tate....but I think we missed our chance at trading for a proven WR.

The best we can hope for is Detroit goes full rebuild and Megatron is cut

**GreatWhiteNorthRaven** · 11-25-2015, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by HbgPARavenfan

I dont get it, the pipe dream we had for Alshon, was rebuttled by "OMG Hez not worth a 2nd or 3rd pick" yet now people have a pipe dream for Watkins?

I'd take Watkins in a second...Hell Id be happy with Golden tate....but I think we missed our chance at trading for a proven WR.

The best we can hope for is Detroit goes full rebuild and Megatron is cut

I think Megatron would be too expensive for what I'd be willing to pay. Our dead money is still rough next year. If it was a 1/2 year contract then maybe, but he'll want one last big payday

**RavensPPark** · 11-25-2015, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by blah3

Pass Rusher, CB and WR are the most important areas that need improvement. They also generally have a high draft value (Esp. rusher and CB, but with the way Ravens draft WR they would need to get one high to get it right).

I really also think the OL needs at least one position that would be a major upgrade. Tackle is most important, but if you cannot get one I'd take a good guard and move Yanda out to tackle. I'm not a big Zuttah fan, but with so much overhauling going on I could live with one more year of him.

So in draft I would hit first (not necessarily in that order)
Pass Rusher, (my preference would be DE)
CB
WR

The Ravens desperately need a pass rusher, which is kind of a weird state of affairs since Ozzie tries to get pass rushers in seemingly every draft (for example, in reverse chronological order, Smith, Urban, Simon, McPhee, Kindle, Kruger, Gooden, Barnes, Dan Cody, etc.).

(Speaking of which, I wonder if Ozzie regrets cutting Simon and keeping, for example, Deonte Thompson - one of 7 WRs that the Ravens kept that year.)

There is no telling how far back Suggs is going to be able to make it and he and Dumervil are both in their 30s. Having a legitimate pass rusher would help everyone else on the defense. Including Dean Pees.

**DeltaRaven** · 11-25-2015, 02:35 PM

I'm going to weigh our team needs more on our long term goals than our immediate 2016 needs. Immediate needs are usually addressed on the cheap in FA by the Ravens FO. The core of the team is built through the draft.

Priority #1: Starting WR's. Even if Steve Smith comes back we have nothing in the pipeline beyond Perriman which who knows what will happen with him. I doubt Aiken, M. Brown, or Waller make it beyond 2016 if they make it at all. Campy is good when healthy which is almost never. We need to invest and put a lot of new bodies in this group. Not saying we should use our top pick on a WR but this is our most dire need.

Priority #2: Speed & Playmakers on defense. Especially at DB and pass rusher. Take the best prospect at either of these positions at the top of round 1. A pass rusher to take over for the post Suggs/Dumervil era and DB's to push either Webb or K. Lewis down the depth chart. We need guys who can win their matchups with raw talent, and have the football intelligence to force turnovers and make big plays. A guy we can build around for the next decade. Lucky for us there are a few players at the top of the draft in Bosa, Hargreaves, Nkemdiche, and Ramsey that could all fit this need.

Priority #3: Offensive line depth. KO is gone. This moves Urschel to LG. This leaves us with two guys in Monroe and Zuttah who have had durability concerns. We need a better fill in than Hurst and Jensen to backup these two.

Priority #4: A new primary RB. If we're being honest with ourselves Forsett probably has 1 good year left in him and he'd be best served as a backup with only a handful of carries per game. Taliaferro can't stay healthy and Buck Allen is sort of the 3rd down specialist. We could get by with what we have for 1 more year if forced to but beyond that we need at least a mid round pick invested in this group.

Priority #5: A smart coverage safety to replace K. Lewis. Will Hill is great at playing in the box and making plays on the ball. K. Lewis sucks at over the top help and needs to be replaced. Way too many plays given up over the top. It's possible Brooks can grow into this role and push Lewis down but I'm not holding my breath.