View Poll Results: Would we have won the gam with McNair playing the whole time?

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  1. #76

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...



    Take out those 3 fluke plays that led to TDs and really ask yourself if Boller played well.
    I think it's funny that you are still the only one calling the Heap TD a fluke. But as I said, everything you type has to be taken with the "I hate Boller" lick of salt. And that's cool. Nothing we're not prepared for.

    So my response is, not only yes, but played better than McNair has over the last 4 weeks. I think that's the thing that's bothering people the most. McNair can't finish drives, throw touchdowns, or get his QB rating out of the toilet. Boller comes in off the bench cold with no practice reps during the week and it looks like it's his offense, going up and down the field. It's amazing that this actually is upsetting people.

    Who said we were winning? I said the score was 3-0 that doesnt mean we were ahead you nut.
    Your implication was that somehow at 3-0 Boller was in great position. Of course you make it sound like we're leading. You didn't bother to point out Carolina's 3 points came as a result of a horrible Steve McNair interception.


    Steve smith is going to do some damage but thats besides the point because our Top 5 backup should be able to come in and rally the troops and lead us to a win. Instead its same old same old when it comes to Boller.
    And there it is. I was waiting for you to blame Boller for the defense not stopping Steve Smith. This shows me you didn't watch the game. Point blank, no doubt, you have no concept of what happened in this game.

    This is why Darb put you on his ignore list.


    I meantioned this think in this thread or another thread but TL said it best in his report card column:
    You did. And I pointed out that you left out an entire paragraph that said:

    "Boller’s effort was solid and while his QB rating of 97.0 on the day was certainly aided by a couple of tipped throws, he made some plays and showed some athleticism that has been missing from the position. He fired a few lasers to Todd Heap, Mark Clayton, Daniel Wilcox and Demetrius Williams that McNair is no longer capable of. He demonstrated some toughness taking hits while delivering some passes, one of which was his 35 yard connection to Williams. He still has a tendency to flush out of the pocket to his left instead of stepping up into it – a trademark of McNair’s. Boller did appear to do a better job on Sunday reading through his progressions than he’s done in the past."

    And everytime you try to selectively pull something out like that, I'll happily remind you what you left out.


    The bottom line is that even Bruce Cunningham on his show this morning said he thought Boller played "a great game". And that show has not been kind to Boller in the least, especially with Aaron on there. The rest of football gave Boller good to high marks on his performance Sunday, even the Carolina Panthers. The only person claiming all three of Boller's TD's were flukes, and it was the "same old Boller" really is you Crazy.

    And that's why Darb put you on the ignore list. You can't discuss that which is needs to continually be factually corrected.




  2. #77

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    And everytime you try to selectively pull something out like that, I'll happily remind you what you left out.
    Gregg asked which opportunities I was talking about not how he looked or how his stats were padded by 3 lucky passes. Pointing out that he looked good or athletic or even that he read his progessions properly didnt get us a w. Again the opportunites were lost. I was asked which ones and I gave TL examples. Stick with the subject.

    As for the heap pass On the NFL replay the announcers said that the ball should have been reviewed by Fox but he did not. It seemed as if heap was pushed out of bounds and that there was some debate as to whether he was or wasnt. Considering that HEap never put his feet in the endzone you have to say that it is a little flukish. I'll concede it only because its heap and the ball was throw to him a little high and he made a great grab at it.


    Your implication was that somehow at 3-0 Boller was in great position.
    It wasnt like it was 17-0. 3-0 with literally an entire game left to play is certainly not in the hole. There was no other implication other than that boller wasnt in an insurmountable hole.

    You didn't bother to point out Carolina's 3 points came as a result of a horrible Steve McNair interception.
    either way it was still only 3 points. still not a huge hill to climb.

    This is why Darb put you on his ignore list.
    Thats his choice. He can be that way if he chooses. Actually I really dont like him to begin with so its for the best anyway.


    This shows me you didn't watch the game. Point blank, no doubt, you have no concept of what happened in this game.
    Look if tex said he didnt watch the game thats fine but please dont pin that on me. Your just being silly and you know it.




  3. #78

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    No crazy. Being silly is having the balls to actually act as though boller, while actually sparking the offence for the first time in weeks, lost the Carolina game as if the panthers didn't score 23 points on our defense and Steve smith didn't have 189 yards that day, including a 73 yard play right after boller scored. And you act like boller didn't answer that with a touchdown, which of course he did, but didn't see the field again because the defense couldn't stop anyone.

    That is silly and unreasonable. But its also predictable and not surprising from you. That's why you turn people off to your attitude, and why I'm done with this conversation with you. I'm not going round and round with this anymore. There is just no discussing this constructively with your way of thinking.




  4. #79

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Why is it when I put up the opportunities that are missed by boller everyone glance over them and doesn't address it. TL has talked about it but most of the church of boller want to hide there head or put people on their ignore lists or say that I am the one who is being difficult. I have conceded the heap td and said you were right about that yet you want to go on about that I am being difficult with the way I am thinking. You never change your opinion. You always think your right about boller. You alway think he does a good even when its obviouis to the entire world that he doesnt have it. When I site opinions from the person who invented this board you ignore what I post and post stuff that had nothing to do with what was written. Those two losts opportunities are the things I have been focusing on but instead we go in circles with stupid shit like ignore lists and claiming that I didnt see the game.

    And if people are turn off by my attitude its because this site has been a great big circle jerk for starting Boller over Mcnair since its inception. there are only a few reasonable opposing voices on this board, I for one have played nice because I am totally outnumbered but thats ok I'm still here and I'm not going anywhere.

    Well I'm sure I'm headed to your ignore list now, especially since darb has me on it.




  5. #80

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by crazyraven View Post
    Take out those 3 fluke plays that led to TDs and really ask yourself if Boller played well.
    Three fluke plays?

    I guess you didn't actually see the game, just like Tex.

    Haters never learn.




  6. #81

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    The above post is my point exactly




  7. #82

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    That's BS Crazy. Such BS. You are not a reasonable opposing opinion here. You are unreasonable to a point where you're almost egregiously making things into bad. You never conceded the Heap TD. You said it was a fluke. So unless you're going back to edit a post from earlier, that is a lie.

    I love these too:

    When I site opinions from the person who invented this board you ignore what I post and post stuff that had nothing to do with what was written.
    Well, except THE PARAGRAPH RIGHT ABOVE which you seem to magically leave out. And for good reason, I know. It pains you to see anything positive written about Boller because that goes against your "he does nothing right" philosophy.

    \You never change your opinion. You always think your right about boller. You alway think he does a good even when its obviouis to the entire world that he doesnt have it.
    Sorry, at first I thought you were talking about yourself. Again, you completely ignore that other teams fans are talking about how good Boller's stats are, and how they'd like him on their team, or could you not bring yourself to read the "Redskin fans want Boller" thread? Of course you couldn't. But again, we come to expect everything from you to be that "I hate Boller" spin. Nothing changes.

    And if people are turn off by my attitude its because this site has been a great big circle jerk for starting Boller over Mcnair since its inception.
    Name them. Other than Mista T, who has advocated Boller starting, name them. That's what I thought.


    Well I'm sure I'm headed to your ignore list now,
    Actually, that's not a bad idea. You, as you have before, bring nothing to a discussion. You haven't this entire thread, and somehow you've sucked some of us into it. I realized you brought nothing to the discussion when you blamed Boller for this past loss and gave the defense the big free pass. But again, it's nothing new for you. And quite frankly, this with you has now gotten boring and unentertaining. So I can at least ignore your ignorance on this forum, and I think that's a fantastic idea at this point.

    BTW, read the poll. Your lord and savior McNair doesn't appear to have been able to win the Carolina game in most people's eyes either. The difference is if he was playing I'm sure you'd blame the loss on someone else. Hell, you'd blame it on Boller because he was sitting on the sidelines.
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  8. #83

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Well, except THE PARAGRAPH RIGHT ABOVE which you seem to magically leave out. And for good reason, I know. It pains you to see anything positive written about Boller because that goes against your "he does nothing right" philosophy.
    Again I have posted TL comments about missed oppurtunites and I have yet to here an opposing view. I brought something to the discussion but it appears you and many others are picking and choosing what you want to discuss or you want to add something else he wrote that has nothing to do with missed oppurtunities. In fact Boller went backward and stover's leg was not able to be used. All I heard a few weeks ago was how easy it was for a qb to get stover in field goal range and that anyone could use stover the way mcnair did. Appartently thats not true. But I'm sure you'll say I'm on your ignore list totally overlooking a valid point that none of you guys want to touch on.

    BTW about HEAP if you look at my post (#100) you will see where I conceded that Boller TD. No Edits, once it's up there, it's out there.

    Name them. Other than Mista T, who has advocated Boller starting, name them. That's what I thought.
    That's easy--YOU.

    That one was a lay up.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    Yeah, he writes that he is not advocating benching McNair for Boller just yet, be we all know that is what he hopes and dreams happens. Boller's on field performances must look like Carson or Ben's in his eyes the way he continutally touts him for no logical reason under the sun.
    Please check the Raven's QB stats before you post things like this again. There are several reasons to advocate Boller over McNair at this point.

    Or maybe try to watch a game sometime.

    I also like how you're now a mind reader and know what people are "hoping and dreaming"? Can you read my mind and tell what I think of you right now?




  10. #85

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Do you honestly think that people like CR and Tex actually have any facts to back up their claims?

    We know Tex never watches a game and CR has let his hatred for Boller cloud his mind.

    I posted a fairly telling summary of the drives that McNair and Boller have started this year. Guess exactly how many Haters said anything about it. 1/3 of the drives started by McNair end in three-and-out or worse.
    1/3 of the drives started by McNair pick up only one first down.
    1/3 of the drives started by McNair pick up more than one first down.

    Yet in their eyes McNair has been leading us up and down the field.

    We had seven TDs scored on offense before last Sunday. We've started inside the opponents 40 nine times. 10 FGs.

    They love to say Boller is wildly inaccurate, yet he has a 55% completion rate with the Ravens while McNair has a 56% rate.
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  11. #86

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    I actually took you off the ignore list for this.

    "And Boller has a turdish 5-16 road record and McNair is 2-1."
    You do realize that the Ravens were 5-2 with Boller/Wright when the defense allowed fewer than 15 points right?

    With McNair we're 4-1. Hmmm....

    "Boller has had ONE game (actually just three quarters) (Yeah count how many) this season which included two of three totally lucky and fluke tipped TD passes."

    Compare Bollers last 5 games to McNairs last five games. Enjoy.

    "Based on that you think he's better than his lousy career record now all of the sudden? "

    I think that after watching McNair suck up the field for 2/3 of his drives this year he isn't any better than Boller.

    Most people who can actually WATCH the games agree with me. Now I realize that you can't watch the games so you will forgive me if I care less than nothing about your opinion.

    "And you also think because Mcnair had a below par game against Denver in Denver "
    And the Raiders. And the Chargers. And Carolina. 5 games McNair has started and finished this year, 3 times he's had less than a 66 QB rating.

    Tex, in all honesty you should not be posting here if you can't watch the games. You have no facts to back up your statements. You don't even have the chance to go on gut feelings by watching what is happening on the field. All of your post are pointless.
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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    You honestly can't just assume he wouldn't either. Furthermore, many Boller supporters are projecting McNair's first quarter performance as if it would have automatically been pro-rated for the entire game.
    No, I would base that on McNair's performance for the year to date. He is averaging way less than what Boller did Sunday.

    Back to first downs, 16 in 47 minutes. The truly lucky TD to Clayton, upon seeing some tape, would have been a first down to Williams. He was open and the ball was on target save the tip. That makes 17 first downs, maybe more on that drive if you want to take away that TD. That is more than McNair has done against weaker defenses.

    Who's to say McNair wouldn't have gotten hot and lit up the field later on. Believe me, if Boller was having success, I guarantee you McNair would have later in the game, although I doubt if he would have been the master of the tipped ball TD pass like young (and Irish Leprechaun lucky) Kyle was.
    I'm to say it, in 5+ games he hadn't done it yet but we are supposed to believe he would all of the sudden light up Carolina?

    Neuheisel said both of the tipped balls were right on target, Mason should have done a better job of shaking his man on the one and the other was tipped but if not is a 12-15 yard gain and another first down. Having seen the tape, he's right.




  13. #88

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    "Out of the 6 games the Ravens have played this season I have missed watching only one, and that was against Carolina because it was not available."

    So the only game you didn't watch was the one where Boller actually played, but you still say he's playing worse than McNair.

    "As a Boller hugger you chose to isolate Boller's last five games, however you seem to overlook the fact that one of those games was against Cleveland where Boller had a 32 rating and played like a scared girl."
    You mean the one where Ogden cost us a TD and the game? I remember that one.
    Do you remember the latest one where Charlie Frye flat out played McNair?

    Now last season you were saying that the defense was the only reason we were winning games because Kyle had a low QB rating. This year McNair is the lowest rated QB in the league yet he's winning us games according to you.

    Explain how 2/3 of his drives end after one or fewer first downs. McNair sucks and he is a waste of 33 million dollars.

    Now do us all a favor. Enjoy one of those Alzheimer’s moments you're so famous for and forget how to get post here. Thanks bunches.
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  14. #89

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    "The ball to Mason was well defended and actually Boller needed to lead McNair about a foot to avoid it being tipped by the DB."

    Good. That senality is happening. McNair is the QB who was hurt. Mason was the receiver that Boller should have led.
    Of course the ball hit Mason right in the chest, but since you have not watched that game you have no business telling us what Boller should have done.

    "Boller does not throw accurate nor catchable balls like most of the better QBs in the league including McNair."

    Good point, except McNair has a 56% completion rate to Bollers 55%. Of course you being... you... will say that two of Bollers completions were flukes, but since you didn't watch the game you wouldn't know that he threw at least four passes away when nobody was open.

    "and IMO has apparently not watched enough football over the years to know any better."

    That's funny. You can't watch the games yet it doesn't stop you from posted your unwanted opinion.
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  15. #90

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    "I will bet you 100 dollars that by the time McNair and Boller end their Raven careers McNair's winning percentage will be better than Bollers. If you don't want to bet money, we will make it that if I am wrong I owe you an apology on this board and vice versa. Now put up or shut up!"

    Nope, because to much depends on other players for a team to win. Watch the Texans... oh sorry about that.

    Now if you want to go McNairs rating this year vs. Bollers rating this year I'll be more than happy to play.

    I would normally feel real bad about taking 100 bucks from an old man, but honestly I find the thought of you eating dog food just to survive really freaking funny.
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