View Poll Results: Would we have won the gam with McNair playing the whole time?

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  1. #31
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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...



    In any case, I would buy the getting used to the offense take to take the next step. Fact is, he needs to take the next step just to get to barely serviceable right now
    Barely serviceable?

    You would'nt call the game in Cleveland and the win against the Chargers serviceable?

    His only total flop was in the shitty weather in Denver, and Sunday he only played for half a quarter.




  2. #32

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    IMO, if McNair played the whole game ...we'd have lost by even more. With no run game, no deep threat, and the defense going in the tank..fugeddaboudit. I suspect we'd have had more pickoffs, possibly returned all the way. Carolina's defense would have been able to jump the pass routes with abandon.

    While I hope I'm wrong, I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that sadly, McNair is NOT the answer. He is exactly what Boller needs though. Whether or not Boller stays here or goes elsewhere next season, he'll be a much better QB for having had a real veteran to learn the other nuances of the game.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    No Boller did as well as we could have asked him to. The defense gave up too many big plays to continue to let Carolina stay ahead. The offense put twenty plus points on the board this game but it wasn't enough.






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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    The Routes are the same, but they are run in unlimited different varieties. Why do you think most Offensive Coordinators have playbooks that exceed 100 pages, if that were the case a average playbook would probably consist of 4 or 5 pages.

    I don't think any of us can even speculate how a many different plays Offensive Coordinators have. Learning the verbage is the easy part, the difficult part is learning an unlimited number of different plays and figuring out what to do and when to do it under pressure.

    Most of, if not all of the NFL analysts have stated that McNair is still very fresh here, and the game looks to be moving very fast for him.

    I am giving Mac a full year here before I make a final judgement. So far he has played like I have expected, but he still managed to win games.
    This is wrong. Or at least based on every interview I've heard by a QB who switched teams it's wrong.

    The verbiage is the tough thing to learn. As Greg said, a 15 yard out is a 15 yard out. The subtle adjustments a WR and QB may make as they become familiar with each other is the difference. In the case of Mason, that should not be an issue.

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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Heap86 View Post
    Barely serviceable?

    You would'nt call the game in Cleveland and the win against the Chargers serviceable?

    His only total flop was in the shitty weather in Denver, and Sunday he only played for half a quarter.
    You need to stop judging a QBs performance by just the last 2:00. The game is 60 minutes and we can't always count on the defense to hold the opponent to under 10 points.

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  6. #36

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    The game is 60 minutes and we can't always count on the defense to hold the opponent to under 10 points.
    As evidence by Denver. Now all of a sudden it was a rainy shitty day in Denver.

    I don't remember Boller getting the same leeway when he had to play in New England in a monsoon without Jamal Lewis at all (remember he was suspended 4 games in 2004). All I heard was how bad Boller was in that game. No one cared about the weather then.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    I am giving Mac a full year here before I make a final judgement. So far he has played like I have expected, but he still managed to win games.
    Really? Then why make the switch? This was a WIN NOW move. If McNair wasn't going to come in here and give our offense a boost why spend all of that money? A year, you'll wait a year?




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Really, we were 5-4 in his rookie season when he went down. Really, 5-3 and in the middle of a very close game. We made the playoffs that year. If the defense steps up against Cincy in 2004 and just stops them once on 4 drives in the last quarter we win that game and go to the playoffs. Last year we were 4-5 in his 9 starts, sticking him with the Irsay game he didn't finish. Anthony Wrong was 2-5 against lesser competition. Boller's losses were all to good teams except the Browns. Wrong lost to Tenn, Detroit, Cincy at home, the Bears (that was a very winnable game).

    You can't blame him for last year for missing the playoffs. In 2004 we just need one damn stop. In 2003 we made the playoffs with him making most of the starts.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Again, if the defense can stop Cincy in 2004 he takes us to the playoffs.

    Dilfer won a Super Bowl with a 76.6 rating and had more fumbles and INTs than TD passes. BTW, Boller's lifetime rating is 70.0 but his numbers have slightly improved year over year. I htink the guy could get into the 80s. I know your position on the matter.




  10. #40

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    how many QB's with 69 ratings and career stats near the bottom of the league with more INTS and FUMBLES lost than TD passes are going to lead a team anywhere?
    Then McNair isn't going to do it either. 67 QB rating and 5TD/7INT with 4 fumbles.

    And you wonde.......................oh nevermind.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    I watch all of the games and I must say McNair has laid more turds on the field this year than I have dropped in Greg's backyard since I arrived.
    Smarter than most Sports Columnists
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  12. #42

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    So you are tossing out all of McNair's career stats, and focusing only on this season so far, and for Boller focusing only on his last game to make your argument? Kind of short sighted don't you think?
    No, that is not short sighted for people living in the present time. Focusing on Boller's last game makes sense, since that's the only game in which he has had any significant playing time. And McNair's career stats are not that relevant right now, since he seems to be playing much older than his actual age.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Or if he had led the Ravens to a TD ( like Palmer did) to give them the lead instead of his usual field goal you could also say he takes us to the playoffs.
    He actually led drives to two FGs, IIRC. I also recall us getting into FG position and running up the gut 3 times in a row. That isn't Boller's fault.




  14. #44

    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tex Ritter View Post
    However, I think the coaches have little faith in Boller not throwing a stupid pick or fumbling when inside the red zone which we all have seen his propensity to do. Ergo, Billick almost always takes the conservative approach and settles for the FG in a close game.
    Really? That's funny, I haven't noticed the coaches opening up the playbook when McNair is behind center. I haven't noticed any difference in the playcalling with McNair at QB -- in fact, when Boller played on Sunday, the playcalling was less conservative than when McNair was playing.
    Last edited by highwater; 10-17-2006 at 02:25 PM.




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    Re: If McNair played the whole game today...

    He hasn't had over thirty games like Boller.
    He hasn't?




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