Byrne Identity: Who Are The Best Ravens Ever?

**lovefootball** · 03-22-2015, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by TTRaven

Come on now. There's no denying that Flacco belongs near the top of the list, but he's not a future Hall-of-Famer.

Think positive, LOL. Unless he gets hurt or the FO decides to go all defense, Flacco has a shot. With no injury or missed game in his career, more then likely he is the nfl's ironman version of cal ripken.

**ursula** · 03-22-2015, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Think positive, LOL. Unless he gets hurt or the FO decides to go all defense, Flacco has a shot. With no injury or missed game in his career, more then likely he is the nfl's ironman version of cal ripken.

Um, no. Not even close. First Cal was the best at his position for years and years. Flacco-love him totally-has not been close to being the best QB in any year.

Second Cal did do that ironman thing while Flacco is just one of a few QBs who rarely if ever miss games.

**lovefootball** · 03-22-2015, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by ursula

Um, no. Not even close. First Cal was the best at his position for years and years. Flacco-love him totally-has not been close to being the best QB in any year.

Second Cal did do that ironman thing while Flacco is just one of a few QBs who rarely if ever miss games.

Um no, Cal in the end was a good baseball player who never did become the leader the team needed. On days when he should have sat, he played . Helps to have your dad as manager. He ended up with a 276 BA. 1991 was his best year and he was a fan favorite. His Ironman record is what he will be remembered for. He had great years and average years, but for Baltimore Fans, he ranks up there with the Orioles I grew up with, Brooks, Frank, Boog, McNalley and many other players who made the Orioles who they were back then.

Flacco will never be the best QB, but will do enough to be eligible for the HOF. He has quietly broke records by not being the best QB. It's what irks Raven fans the most, Flacco flies under the radar compared to other good QBs who the media loves.

Broadway joe is in the hof, so let's not say you have to be a great QB to get into the HOF. Joe wins another SB and continues with his win record, he definitely has a shot.

**s.r.genovese** · 03-22-2015, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Um no, Cal in the end was an average baseball player

1982 Rookie of the Year, 2-time AL MVP with a 95.5 career WAR?

Yeah, real average. You can find those guys anywhere. :grbac:

**Terpsfan82** · 03-22-2015, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

Um no, Cal in the end was a good baseball player who never did become the leader the team needed. On days when he should have sat, he played . Helps to have your dad as manager. He ended up with a 276 BA. 1991 was his best year and he was a fan favorite. His Ironman record is what he will be remembered for. He had great years and average years, but for Baltimore Fans, he ranks up there with the Orioles I grew up with, Brooks, Frank, Boog, McNalley and many other players who made the Orioles who they were back then.

Flacco will never be the best QB, but will do enough to be eligible for the HOF. He has quietly broke records by not being the best QB. It's what irks Raven fans the most, Flacco flies under the radar compared to other good QBs who the media loves.

Broadway joe is in the hof, so let's not say you have to be a great QB to get into the HOF. Joe wins another SB and continues with his win record, he definitely has a shot.

So now it has come down to trashing the legacy of a Baltimore sports icon just to make Flacco look better by comparison? Purple Apocalypse is that you?

**WrongBaldy** · 03-22-2015, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by s.r.genovese

1982 Rookie of the Year, 2-time AL MVP with a 95.5 career WAR?

Yeah, real average. You can find those guys anywhere. :grbac:

i almost spilled out my stone ipa when i read that

**Purpleguy** · 03-22-2015, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

You're joking right?

Stover is still the Ravens all time leader in points and won us a shit ton of games on that leg.

I'm not denying how integral he was, I'm just saying it's kind of sad that we needed the kicker to be so integral.

**HoustonRaven** · 03-22-2015, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Purpleguy

I'm not denying how integral he was, I'm just saying it's kind of sad that we needed the kicker to be so integral.

Perhaps in 2000 it was "sad". But I see it as season-saving. He was the reason we won those games mid year when we couldn't find the end zone.

Guess I'm more glass half full when it come to Stover.

**lovefootball** · 03-22-2015, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by Terpsfan82

So now it has come down to trashing the legacy of a Baltimore sports icon just to make Flacco look better by comparison? Purple Apocalypse is that you?

No. it's my opinion, never was a fan of the man. Flacco hasn't missed a game yet, so he has a chance of setting a record for most starts.
You use the word trash, Read my post again, fan favorite. Can't argue with you, you've come to the wrong conclusion. Ripken isn't the greatest ever, but he had a great career ,but most fans will recognize him for his Ironman record.

Won't get me tp say anymore, it's a forum, wise up.

**ravensnhokies** · 03-22-2015, 07:25 PM

If Tucker stays with the Ravens for 12 years...which he should....he will be the greatest kicker in Ravens history. Matt was money inside 40, average from 40-45, and not that good 45+. Tuck is awesome every range, and unlike Matt, great on kickoffs. Also, playoffs..Tuck made the greatest FG in Ravens history and is perfect (so far) (+ the incredible 52yder in Pitt last year). In the 2000 playoffs, Matt missed a gimme in the Oakland AFCC and 41yder in SB35. He did make that clutch 43yder in the 2009 Titans divisional win, though.

Its not that I do not appreciate Matt... yes he was autoMATTic inside 40... but I think we should hold off anointing him a bit when Tucker's story isn't completely written.

**TTRaven** · 03-22-2015, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by lovefootball

No. it's my opinion, never was a fan of the man. Flacco hasn't missed a game yet, so he has a chance of setting a record for most starts.
You use the word trash, Read my post again, fan favorite. Can't argue with you, you've come to the wrong conclusion. Ripken isn't the greatest ever, but he had a great career ,but most fans will recognize him for his Ironman record.

Won't get me tp say anymore, it's a forum, wise up.

Flacco has no chance at setting the record for most consecutive starts. He has 127 consecutive starts. Favre has the record at 321. Joe could start every game for the next 10 years and he still wouldn't be close.

**Mista T** · 03-22-2015, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by TTRaven

Come on now. There's no denying that Flacco belongs near the top of the list, but he's not a future Hall-of-Famer.

Huh?

Following are the modern era HOF QBs. Above the lines are those guys whom I would rank above our Joe Cool. The rest are equal or lesser. Please note that Joe's 10-5 playoff record (the only QB "stat" which really matters), is better than everyone on either side of the line on this list: