Movies vs. Reality

[wickedsolo]

Trap, I did like Spy Games. There are some aspects to that move that are somewhat accurate.

Prob one of my favorite spy movies is Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. It is horribly slow moving and dry, but I thought it was great.

[AirFlacco]

Ah, what a great spy movie with a chilling ending. He really didnt want to kill his friend but had to because
he was the mole. I had to watch it a couple of times to understand all the lines in it. Get something new out of
it every time, same with Spy Game and Godfather movies and I know every line.

The Good Shepherd was financed and produced by Robert DeNiro starring Matt Damon taking the CIA from it's
infancy to & thru the Cold War. Matt Damon killed his future daughter in law because she leaked the Bay of Pigs
invasion to the Russians. She got it from his son. Damon has her thrown out of an airplane on the way to the
wedding. Son finds out and he loses his son and wife over it.

He gave up his own family to protect his country. Chilling indeed. Damon had the role down pat. He said DeNiro
also made him walk a certain way. There really was a mole in the CIA during the Bay of Pigs and the Central
American stuff when the CIA dropped all these locusts all over the place while the commies were meeting was
true.

There was supposed to be a sequel after the Cold War but DeNiro never made it.

[Terpsfan82]

Good Shepherd was a great movie. It was odd see Angelina Jolie play opposite Matt Damon, but like you said, he played a hell of a part.

[wickedsolo]

The Good Shepherd was awesome.

My grandfather started out in the OSS and then the CIA.


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[AirFlacco]

The Good Shepherd was awesome.

My grandfather started out in the OSS and then the CIA.


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WOW, JUST WOW.

That's cool man to have a grand father like that. Did he ever tell you any cool stories? Probably not.

Colby talks about his father, former director of the CIA. William told some stories on film. He said we'd go on a family picnic in Italy where his father ran the Rome office as a kid but that was part of his mission. He father would wander off and drop a radio or transmitter to someone lurking nearby. His father rose to
director because he ran the commies out of Italy and then Greece. He was depressed when Ford fired him as director and he eventually killed himself or so they think. There was no evidence of foul play in a boating accident. He was an expert sailor.


Colby was asked on TV if there really was a James Bond. He said while we don't have any agents as flamboyant as Bond, we do have some that are just as deadly. The movies and books are based on a real life James Bond run by Ian Flemming during WW2. He was a Serb who was a German agent. He walked into the British Embassy in Lisbon
and offered his services as a double agent and rose to Hitler's highest confident. He single handidly convinced Hitler D-Day was coming in Norther France where Hitler put most of his troops and big guns and Panzer tanks.

Rommel was convinced it was coming at Normandy but Hitler went with Bond's recommendation. Even on the day when they invaded Normandy Hitler was still convinced it was a diversion and the biggest attack would come the next day in Northern, France.

The SS was suspicious of leaks coming from the Serb's section but thought his boss was the traitor and killed him.

They killed the wrong guy. The SS had killed the Serb's entire family which they never knew when he was Hitler's trusted agent.

This agent told this story on the old Mike Douglas talk show back in the 60s. His code name was tricyle because he often slept with 3 women. He was an expert gambler like Bond in the movies and never lost winning fortunes. Thats
why the first Bond Book is called Casino Royale but the first movie was Dr. No and the first time we see Bond is in the casino winning big. Ian Flemming ammassed tremendous gambling debt trying to imitate his friend that his boss in MI6 who was an admiral paid them off. He started the books to pay back his boss which is why the forward is written - to M. To date it is the largest selling book next to the Bible or was.

Some of the books are taken from real life cases like From Russian with Love only Ian ran agents that stole the code breakers from the Nazis and in Thunderball where Bond dives down to a boat to look for the nukes, something similar happened in real life when Kruchev sailed up the Thames in Russia's newest destroyer for a meeting with the
PM. He was showing off their newest toy so Fleming sent a diver down to examine the boat and take measurements and what not. He was reported missing until his headless body floated ashore a couple of days later. Fleming put it in the movie so some of the Bond movies are based on true stories.

I was in that same casino in the Nasau. I was with a group from Towson State during spring break. I was working on my masters there and met two chicks and hung out with them. I walked in the casino all dressed up with the best looking chicks in the place, just like the chick in the pic above. I really felt like Bond-lol until they walked off with two rich guys. Oh well, I still have the chick in the pic, sort of.

[AirFlacco]

Ok, here's the Serb's name whom all the Bond books are after. Found it in wiki. It's accurate.


Actually, he said on Mike Douglas that Bond wouldn't last 15 mins in real life. He said the
scariest moment was when his boss walked in the room and said freeze, don't move. His heart
dropped because he thought he was a dead man. Then he said turn around slowly. He started
to put his hand in his jacket for a gun but the boss had a big smile.

He was holding a wild monkey. he just got back from a mission in africa and someone gave
him this monkey. He said if you jerked around too fast the money would have jumped all
over your face and clawed it up. He was protecting his friend, not hurting him.





Dušan "Duško" Popov OBE (Serbian Cyrillic: Душан "Душко" Попов; 10 July 1912 – 10 August ... He had an older brother, Ivo – also a double agent, professionally trained as a ... Popov had earned a Ph.D. in Law there, and then returned to Dubrovnik to ... He has been cited as among Ian Fleming's models for James Bond

[AirFlacco]

Here's the dope on Colby's death right out of a spy novel only it's true.



From the Clinton Body Count:
William Colby Director of Central Intelligence (ret) Died April 27, 1996

William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford. At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. He was replaced by George Bush. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby's house, by another report, a quarter mile downstream. Colby was, by all reports, a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing. Colby at 76 was still a world-traveler and consultant to many corporations. He recently became an editor of an important financial newsletter, "Strategic Investment," which covered the Vince Foster "suicide" in detail. Its editors hired three renowned handwriting experts to investigate Foster's suicide note, which hadn't been found when his briefcase was first searched, but later materialized, torn into pieces, with no fingerprints on any of the pieces. Upon comparing this document with others of Foster's writings, these experts declared it was a forgery, and a not very good one at that. Colby had old enemies as well as new, with plenty of motives for his extermination...

He was in charge of the infamous Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam War, in which more than 20,000 South Vietnamese citizens -- supposedly Viet Cong sympathizers -- were rounded up, tortured and executed. In the 1970s he opened some of the secrets of the CIA to Congress: "Colby insisted on going public about the agency's role in tapping the telephones and opening the mail of Americans; plotting the assassination of Fidel Castro, and using human guinea pigs for mind-control experiments involving LSD," the Times reports. On Monday, May 6, Colby's body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly searched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water.

[wickedsolo]

Actually Trap, if you're so inclined, you can read about my grandfather. Many conspiracy theorists point to him as feeding "Deepthroat" what to tell Woodward and Bernstein during the Watergate Scandal. True story.

As far as stories...he was pretty tight-lipped about his work. I was also pretty young, so I didn't really know what it all meant.

Looking back I wish I was a bit older because there are a lot of things I would have loved to ask him about. WW2, the mafia, Cuba, Russia...all of it.

[AirFlacco]

WOW AGAIN - I'd love to read about him. What's his name and the books or articles on him? I love this stuff.

Felt was Deepthroat who gave the tapes to Woodward and Bernstein. So you're saying your grandfather provided
Felt with the tapes. He was pissed because Nixon appointed someone else as Director after Hooever died. Felt should
have gotten it with over 25 years of service and knew everything about the agency. Nixon knew he was deepthroat
and guessed right.

As for books, I spent the afternoon in the library reading O'Reiley's book, KILLING LINCOLN. I don't really care for him
too much but I wanted to see if there was anything I didnt know. His books are blow hards just like his commentaries
on FOX but I learned one fact I didn't know.

The Sec of War was always considered a suspect in planning and recruiting Booth to kill Lincoln according to one
popular conspiracy theory but Reilly says no. He actually tried to stop Lincoln from going and told him there were
rumors of a plot. I never knew that.

Lincoln said I just sent thousands of men to their deaths on the battlefield for their country. How can I not go to
the theater for fear of getting shot. I'd be the biggest coward and hypocrite on earth so he disregarded the threat.

Balls, pure balls Lincoln had, but someone else backed off who was supposed to be sitting next to Lincoln that night
and that was General Grant himself. He stayed home for fear of dying. He sent thousands of guys to death in one
battle after another but was afraid of getting shot in a theater.

Grant was a pure pussy while Lincoln died in that theater knowing it might happen.

Another fact I didn't know was that Lincoln wasn't the only one who was supposed to get hit. Booth wanted to
disrupt the entire gov't killing Lincoln, Grant (he knew he'd be there) and the VP. I never knew that.

As far as his books KILLING KENNEDY AND KILLING PATTON, the JFK book has everything I knew and so does the
Patton book which basically blames the Russians and specifically Stalin for killing Patton because he wanted to
invade Russia. Thats all popular conspiracy theory. All of Pattons troops were convinced that the Russians killed
Patton.

I wanted to see if O'Reilly mentioned another theory that IKE ordered the hit on Patton. Like the book says, there
were 3 people in the car and everyone survived but Patton. He was hit by an 18 wheel truck on his side at
full speed but he too survived the crash for almost two weeks. The gov't says he died of a blood clot as they
were moving him to bring him home.

O'Reilley says Stalin had him poisoned according to theory. It's also believed Stalin poisoned Lennin after he found
out what he really was and Stalin did of course kill Trotsky - the original Bolshiviks who made the revolution happen.

Back to IKE, when the Russians liberated the POW camps at the end of WW2 they were supposed to turn the
American prisoners over to the US but marched them to Siberia with the Germans they captured. Several
escaped and got back to Patton who told IKE according to the theory.

As usual IKE told him to shut up. He didnt want to upset the Russians any more. According to the theory, Patton
scheduled a press conference on a Monday to tell the world to put pressure on getting the Americans back.
There were over 20,000 prisoners heading to Siberia.

Patton was run over on a Saturday. I'm not sure what to believe but I'm convinced that 18 wheeler was no
accident. Somebody killed Patton, either Stalin or IKE who would later give the order to kill Castro and that's a
fact, not theory. He gave the job to Nixon.

[wickedsolo]

Even though Mark Felt claimed he was Deep Throat in 2005, a lot of folks thought (and still do) that it was actually Robert Bennett.


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[AirFlacco]

Very interesting. So Bennett was your grand pop? I'll look him up.

Felt's daughter said in 2005 that Felt got enough money from the Wash Post to pay his kids way thru college.

Felt also didn't like the way Nixon used the FBI. The Ellsburgh trial was dismissed because of one break-in
occurred while the trial was going on and the judge was fed up with it all. Ellsburgh went free and classified
info became a best selling book on the NY TIMES list and bought in paper backs in drug stores all over the country.

[AirFlacco]

This is from Wiki. Not sure how much is accurate.



Contact with Woodward[edit]
Bob Woodward first describes his source nicknamed Deep Throat in All the President's Men as "a source in the Executive Branch who had access to information at CRP (the Committee to Re-elect the President, Nixon's 1972 campaign organization), as well as at the White House."[35] The book also calls him "an incurable gossip" who was "in a unique position to observe the Executive Branch", a man "whose fight had been worn out in too many battles".[36] Woodward had known the source before Watergate and had discussed politics and government with him.

In 2005, Woodward wrote that he met Felt at the White House in 1969 or 1970 when Woodward was an aide to Admiral Thomas Hinman Moorer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, delivering papers to the White House Situation Room. In his book The Secret Man, Woodward described Felt as "a tall man with perfectly combed gray hair ... distinguished looking" with "a studied air of confidence, even what might be called a command presence".[37] They stayed in touch and spoke on the telephone several times. When Woodward started working at the Washington Post, he phoned Felt on several occasions to ask for information for articles in the Post. Felt's information, taken on a promise that Woodward would never reveal its origin, was a source for a few stories, notably for an article on May 18, 1972, about Arthur H. Bremer, who shot George C. Wallace. When the Watergate story broke, Woodward called on his friend. Felt advised Woodward on June 19 that E. Howard Hunt was involved; the telephone number of his White House office had been listed in the address book of one of the burglars. Initially, Woodward's source was known at the Post as "My Friend", but was tagged "Deep Throat" by Post editor Howard Simons, after the film Deep Throat. Woodward has written that the idea for the nickname first came to Simons because Felt had been providing the information on a deep background basis.

When Felt's name was revealed, it was noted that "My Friend" has the same initial letters as "Mark Felt". Woodward has said this was a coincidence, but in looking back at some of his notes, interviews with Felt during the earliest days of the story were marked with "M.F."

Code for contacting Woodward[edit]
Woodward claimed that when he wanted to meet Deep Throat, he would move a flowerpot with a red flag on the balcony of his apartment, number 617, at the Webster House at 1718 P Street, Northwest, and when Deep Throat wanted a meeting, he would circle the page number on page twenty of Woodward's copy of The New York Times and draw clock hands to signal the hour.[38] Adrian Havill questioned these claims in his 1993 biography of Woodward and Bernstein, stating Woodward's balcony faced an interior courtyard and was not visible from the street, but Woodward responded that it has been bricked in since he lived there. Havill also claimed that copies of The Times were not delivered marked by apartment, but Woodward and a former neighbor disputed this claim.[39] Woodward has stated:

How [Felt] could have made a daily observation of my balcony is still a mystery to me. At the time, the back of my building was not enclosed so anyone could have driven in the back alley to observe my balcony. In addition, my balcony and the back of the apartment complex faced onto a courtyard or back area that was shared with a number of other apartment or office buildings in the area. My balcony could have been seen from dozens of apartments or offices.
There were several embassies in the area. The Iraqi embassy was down the street, and I thought it possible that the FBI had surveillance or listening posts nearby. Could Felt have had the counterintelligence agents regularly report on the status of my flag and flowerpot? That seems unlikely, but not impossible.[40]
Haldeman informs Nixon that Felt was leaking information[edit]