Torrey May Be The Most Disappointing Raven This Year.

**2gigch1** · 10-12-2014, 08:11 PM

From the article on Torrey at Ravens.com:

So with Smith going through the roughest stretch of his career since his rookie year, and Smith also going through some unspecified personal problems, they both leaned on that faith.

He has seemed sad and distracted. I hope whatever else is out there he finds some happiness.

**The Excellector** · 10-13-2014, 05:47 AM

He needs to prove that he can perform like that, consistently, against press coverage, because that'll be the last time he sees off coverage for a while.

**JAB1985** · 10-13-2014, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by GOTA

No one is paying Torrey $6 million a season.

hes going to get around that. with a down year. If he turns his season around hell likely get north of 7m. hes young, fast, hard working, and a good asset in the community. Teams will pay for those attributes, especially the Ravens.

**lovefootball** · 10-13-2014, 09:14 AM

If ravens make postseason and t smith is a major contributor, he has the advantage.

**Bhcforlife** · 10-13-2014, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1985

hes going to get around that. with a down year. If he turns his season around hell likely get north of 7m. hes young, fast, hard working, and a good asset in the community. Teams will pay for those attributes, especially the Ravens.

If someone pays Torrey "north of 7m", I can 100% money back guarantee you that it will not be the Ravens.

**JAB1985** · 10-13-2014, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Bhcforlife

If someone pays Torrey "north of 7m", I can 100% money back guarantee you that it will not be the Ravens.

If he gets north of 7m its because he had a good season, despite the slow start. I think the Ravens would absolutely try to retain him if thats the case. There is a gray area if he end up having a bad year what that number would be, but imo theyd still keep him, and likely overpay based on having a bad year. They overpaid Pitta coming off an injury, I cant imagine they wouldnt treat Torrey similar.

**Corey** · 10-21-2014, 07:29 PM

I didn't want to start a new Torrey thread, so I am bumping this one. But has anyone noticed that he (and Jacoby for that matter) are not catching the ball with their hands? They are trying to trap it against their bodies. Both TD passes that Torrey dropped, he dropped because he tried to trap the ball against his body. I know the first one he was being interfered with but I still think he could have caught that ball if he wasn't trying to "body catch" it. The second one he dropped is a walk in TD if he catches with hands out in front instead of letting it get into his body.

Hostler may have had some value after all.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 10-21-2014, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Corey

I didn't want to start a new Torrey thread, so I am bumping this one. But has anyone noticed that he (and Jacoby for that matter) are not catching the ball with their hands? They are trying to trap it against their bodies. Both TD passes that Torrey dropped, he dropped because he tried to trap the ball against his body. I know the first one he was being interfered with but I still think he could have caught that ball if he wasn't trying to "body catch" it. The second one he dropped is a walk in TD if he catches with hands out in front instead of letting it get into his body.

Hostler may have had some value after all.

JJ12 has never been hands catcher.
Torrey has at times.
Neither guy is a high-pointer.
Improving the skill takes time, repetition and dedication.

Also, Devin Street and Tyler Boyd displayed excellent hands at Pitt (Bobby Engram).

**Corey** · 10-21-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

JJ12 has never been hands catcher.
Torrey has at times.
Neither guy is a high-pointer.
Improving the skill takes time, repetition and dedication.

Also, Devin Street and Tyler Boyd displayed excellent hands at Pitt (Bobby Engram).

I am not saying Engram isn't a good coach. I am just saying that Hostler, after working with Torrey for a long time, was able to break him of that. With the coaching change Torrey's hands have regressed. No disrespect to anyone. Just an observation.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 10-22-2014, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

I am not saying Engram isn't a good coach. I am just saying that Hostler, after working with Torrey for a long time, was able to break him of that. With the coaching change Torrey's hands have regressed. No disrespect to anyone. Just an observation.

I understand your perspective.

I should not have been so flippant with my comments.
Honestly, I have no idea if Engram is a good coach; but at the college level, my bias is to praise or blame the coach on how a player's hands progress.
At the pro level, I focus on the player.

When I think about how pass catchers should develop their hands IMO; in many ways, I draw parallels to how elite military units train (precise execution under a broad set of conditions).

**Stealthbirds80** · 10-22-2014, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

I am not saying Engram isn't a good coach. I am just saying that Hostler, after working with Torrey for a long time, was able to break him of that. With the coaching change Torrey's hands have regressed. No disrespect to anyone. Just an observation.

I look at it this way. Those other offenses Torrey played in prior to Kubiak were basically the same offenses, but this is the first time he has to actually think about what he is doing. He never had good hands, but now he's thinking and playing except just playing. I wouldn't blame Engram on that as he seems to be settling down now.

JJ on the other hand is just playing plain scared and I believe it's of Kubiak, plus he has bad hands. Not a good mix.