PFT Slams Ravens

**HotInHere** · 07-15-2014, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by lowrider

You jest, but sadly it may get to that some day. Morality clauses are not unheard of. They are included in many endorsement contracts. May be CBA issues and other reasons that it is not practical for player contracts, but IMO an owner should have some protections against players missing games do to these off field issues. If they hit their pocketbooks maybe then they would get the message. But then again fines are doled out all the time and it doesn't seem to deter.

The young brain is not able to process consequences as well as an older one. These guys all face potential consequences, and it is drilled into them at the mandatory rookie seminar, by veterans, by coaches, by John Harbaugh, Ozzie Newsome, Harry Swayne, OJ Brigance, and a ton of other people. Yet in the moment, brains at that age think "what do I want to do now" much more than when we get older and we think "I'd LIKE to do that but my wife will kill me so I WON'T."

It really doesn't matter what the consequences are unless they are being considered at the time a player is deciding to (drive drunk/resist police/get in a bar fight/knock out his girlfriend/etc.etc.) And I just don't believe that Jimmy Smith, for example, had even a thought cross his mind of possible consequences when he was in that ladies' room.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 07-15-2014, 02:04 PM

I believe it two things: discipline and the Bible. Here at Owings Mills, I'd give these cats both. Well, kinda...

Rice - NFL will handle
Reid - Cut (has shown nothing but disappointment)
Thompson - Cut (better talent around him)
LT - Bench for 1st half of CIN game (assuming Pierce can go and the next RB up (Forsett?) can go as well)
Jimmy - Bench for 1st half of CIN game

So you're down to the three of the bunch that are likely to produce in 2014 and beyond.
Each with an opportunity to out-perform their own misdeeds. It will take Ray longer and that's fine. He deserves it.
And again, at the end of the year, PFT and others will be sucking our Lombardi; and Jimmy and LT's buffoonery will be long forgotten.

**lowrider** · 07-15-2014, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by HotInHere

The young brain is not able to process consequences as well as an older one. These guys all face potential consequences, and it is drilled into them at the mandatory rookie seminar, by veterans, by coaches, by John Harbaugh, Ozzie Newsome, Harry Swayne, OJ Brigance, and a ton of other people. Yet in the moment, brains at that age think "what do I want to do now" much more than when we get older and we think "I'd LIKE to do that but my wife will kill me so I WON'T."

It really doesn't matter what the consequences are unless they are being considered at the time a player is deciding to (drive drunk/resist police/get in a bar fight/knock out his girlfriend/etc.etc.) And I just don't believe that Jimmy Smith, for example, had even a thought cross his mind of possible consequences when he was in that ladies' room.

I hear what you're saying about youth and their indiscretions. I was there once and did some pretty stupid things myself. As for JS, he may have thought he was doing the right thing by helping the girl. The part where I get lost is when he refused to obey the officers and leave the bathroom, and then launch into a profanity riddled tirade. This rises to a different level of youthful stupidity. I mean what help did he think he was going to offer that the professionals couldn't?

**RavenScallywag** · 07-15-2014, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by BigPlayReceiver

Jimmy - Bench for 1st half of CIN game

So here's the million dollar question...

Let's say we bench Jimmy for a half, and a result, we're down like 1-2 TDs at the half, and lose by 1-2 TDs. In a divisional game. And let's just say at the end of the year, it comes down to tiebreakers and Cincy has us by the one divisional game to make the playoffs.

Would you still stand by benching?

(Not saying I'd give Jimmy a free pass, I just think with Jimmy more than the other 3, excluding Rice, disciplining him really puts you behind the 8 ball performance wise)

**BigPlayReceiver** · 07-15-2014, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

So here's the million dollar question...

Let's say we bench Jimmy for a half, and a result, we're down like 1-2 TDs at the half, and lose by 1-2 TDs. In a divisional game. And let's just say at the end of the year, it comes down to tiebreakers and Cincy has us by the one divisional game to make the playoffs.

Would you still stand by benching?

(Not saying I'd give Jimmy a free pass, I just think with Jimmy more than the other 3, excluding Rice, disciplining him really puts you behind the 8 ball performance wise)

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I definitely see what you are saying, but there are always dozens (hundreds for the hardcore tape watchers) of plays/situations where retrospectively, the season could have turned out differently. Positive and negative. Certainly, the first half of CIN sans Jimmy could turn out to be one.

My offer is not only solution of course, but I don't think coaches should be swayed by the many what-ifs outcomes of a decision like a benching a key starter.

**Ravenswintitle** · 07-15-2014, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

So here's the million dollar question...

Let's say we bench Jimmy for a half, and a result, we're down like 1-2 TDs at the half, and lose by 1-2 TDs. In a divisional game. And let's just say at the end of the year, it comes down to tiebreakers and Cincy has us by the one divisional game to make the playoffs.

Would you still stand by benching?

(Not saying I'd give Jimmy a free pass, I just think with Jimmy more than the other 3, excluding Rice, disciplining him really puts you behind the 8 ball performance wise)

Hell no! We're not trying to win the boyscout award here. I don't like seeing guys get in trouble but come Fall it's all about winning games. Frankly I am not that worried about what they do in the off season as long as they don't miss games.

**wickedsolo** · 07-15-2014, 05:02 PM

PFT called out the Ravens after their 5th player being arrested in as many months??!@??!?!@!?$#!@?

**AirFlacco** · 07-15-2014, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by RavenScallywag

So here's the million dollar question...

Let's say we bench Jimmy for a half, and a result, we're down like 1-2 TDs at the half, and lose by 1-2 TDs. In a divisional game. And let's just say at the end of the year, it comes down to tiebreakers and Cincy has us by the one divisional game to make the playoffs.

Would you still stand by benching?

(Not saying I'd give Jimmy a free pass, I just think with Jimmy more than the other 3, excluding Rice, disciplining him really puts you behind the 8 ball performance wise)

Of course it does but that's the point management has to make the team. Do the crime and you're doing the time even if it hurts the team but Ravens wouldn't do that for the reasons you say. They talk a good talk but don't walk the walk as far a character is concerned. Have they done anything to Rice yet as far as discipline? He's in pre-trial counseling and is lucky he's not in jail but what have they done as a team to discipline? Maybe they're waiting for Goodell's action.

**AirFlacco** · 07-15-2014, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

PFT called out the Ravens after their 5th player being arrested in as many months??!@??!?!@!?$#!@?

**JustaslowZ06** · 07-15-2014, 08:47 PM

Maybe some people don't believe in coincidences, some people put blind faith in such. BUT when 30% of the league arrests are on your team the second offseason after Ray leaves says something. Older players and Ravens have admitted as such that stupid behavior was curbed by Ray and his leadership. They've flat out admitted that you didn't want to let Ray down.
Now sure people are going to call Hokey Pokey and BS simply because they've never been in a position where ONE person and their LEADERSHIP causes waves throughout a organization. Its sincerely like the "Daddys gone we can do whatever we want" mentality.

**Brien Jackson** · 07-15-2014, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Of course it does but that's the point management has to make the team. Do the crime and you're doing the time even if it hurts the team but Ravens wouldn't do that for the reasons you say. They talk a good talk but don't walk the walk as far a character is concerned. Have they done anything to Rice yet as far as discipline? He's in pre-trial counseling and is lucky he's not in jail but what have they done as a team to discipline? Maybe they're waiting for Goodell's action.

The CBA prohibits a player being disciplined by his team AND the league for the same offense, so yeah, I'd say they're waiting on Goodell's decision.

**Brien Jackson** · 07-15-2014, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06

Maybe some people don't believe in coincidences, some people put blind faith in such. BUT when 30% of the league arrests are on your team the second offseason after Ray leaves says something. Older players and Ravens have admitted as such that stupid behavior was curbed by Ray and his leadership. They've flat out admitted that you didn't want to let Ray down.
Now sure people are going to call Hokey Pokey and BS simply because they've never been in a position where ONE person and their LEADERSHIP causes waves throughout a organization. Its sincerely like the "Daddys gone we can do whatever we want" mentality.

I hate to be the guy who goes there, but we're talking about a guy who had murder charges brought against him fercrissakes.