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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium



    I've never liked Proud to be an American...it's just kinda chessy.

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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    As someone who lives in DC and has been to Redskins games at FedEx, the experience at M&T is so incomparably better that I can't really think of anything that's a real need for the stadium. Even driving up from DC, parking, and exiting after the game isn't too much of a struggle comparatively.

    The only things I want are minor. More smoking areas, although that's unlikely and I understand why they've started making restrictions. Maybe a little bit more variety with the food and drink options, but again, not like we're really lacking.

    I just really hope that, whenever the time to build a new stadium comes, it stays close to downtown. Being able to visit the harbor and nearby bars before and after the game is awesome.




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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    Quote Originally Posted by ActualSpamBot View Post
    Why? Its a football game not a memorial day event. One patriotic anthem, complete with color guard and a flyover should be enough.
    After reading other posts my question was what other songs could they use?? Posters listed good choices.

    After that it would come down to the owner's choice. Maybe he likes the song and it will continue. Just like the marching band it may never change.




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    Proud to be an American became inspirational when it played to accompany the display of colors, shortly after 9/11. With many local employees who worked at the Pentagon, and their families and neighbors being honored, it would be a shame to discontinue it. Playing it to accompany the flag ceremony has become part of the Ravens pre-game tradition. Fortunately, the playing of the National Anthem has been segregated to be played after the visiting team enters the field, so that we no longer have the chorus of boos accompanying the need of the anthem.

    America the Beautiful isn't going to catch on, after at least five decades of the movement trying to have it supplant the Star Spangled banner as the National Anthem, because it drags too much; it would fit better as a funeral march.

    As to the question "what other songs could they use" -- almost any tune written by John Phillip Sousa should qualify.
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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    There's only so much you can do with The Vault. I liked what they've done so far, but as a facility, I still find it lacking when compared to it's counterparts around the country. IMO, it's a middle their stadium that's on the cusp of being replaceable.

    The new scoreboards were crucial. It's a good thing they caught up to the times and went HD. Improved concessions would be a huge draw. Many of us simply don't eat in the stadium. That dynamic needs to change.
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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    I've been to many away games, and no one in the league does anything remotely close to what we do to honor the country before our games. As ActualSpamBot points out, it's not a memorial service. It is certainly not something we HAVE to do.

    And that makes me even more proud that we take the time and spend the money to do it. It was important to Modell, and a great part of his legacy that I hope we never lose. How often do servicemen get cheered by tens of thousands of people? Thanks to Baltimore, at least ten times a year.

    As to the song itself, I'd prefer to keep it. I don't love the song, but it has become part of the soundtrack to my Sundays. Gamedays have a very specific rhythm to them, and I love anything that keeps me in that rhythm. I don't love "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" as a song either, but I hope they never stop playing it at O's games. It's part of what makes us unique.

    Lastly, we don't take off our hats for Lee Greenwood, but it is appropriate to take them off as the colors enter the stadium. From the Flag Code:

    177. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag

    During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.
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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Lastly, we don't take off our hats for Lee Greenwood, but it is appropriate to take them off as the colors enter the stadium. From the Flag Code:
    Small point of correction. Not when they enter the stadium. Just when they pass in front of you (like in a parade, as mentioned in the code). The flag doesn't pass certain portions of the stadium, thus the men in those sections do not have to remove their covers.
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    Just a simple suggestion and it's free ;-)

    Give us a break here and there from the near constant music so the Fans can do their own cheers.

    Give us 15-30 seconds after the Band plays the fight song and the R-A-V-E-N-S cheer will go clear round the Stadium, much like the C-O-L-T-S cheer did in Memorial. Five sections have done it on a regular basis for 16 seasons now, and on key scores another 3 or 4 sections join in. It's pretty electrifying and the Fans in those sections really love it. What if the whole Stadium did it lol?!
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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Small point of correction. Not when they enter the stadium. Just when they pass in front of you (like in a parade, as mentioned in the code). The flag doesn't pass certain portions of the stadium, thus the men in those sections do not have to remove their covers.
    The flag code doesn't specifically cover stadiums, and the language reflects the more common circumstance of an actual moving parade along a street or some such. I agree it's open to interpretation. If you are behind the visitors bench, the flag isn't actually ever paraded directly in front of you, so you could say you don't need to remove your hat at all.

    My view is that as we are all spectators in a bowl staring at the same field, when the flag enters the field it is being paraded in front of you. It's never the wrong thing to remove your hat to show respect for the soldiers and the flag in front of you, just as it's not wrong to remove it when indoors or in front of a lady (although no one adheres to those rules either.)

    I wouldn't criticize someone for remaining lidded during Lee Greenwood the way I would if they remain lidded during the anthem. But I think it's right and appropriate to remove your lid when the flag enters the arena.
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    Re: Improving the experience at M&T Bank Stadium

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    The flag code doesn't specifically cover stadiums, and the language reflects the more common circumstance of an actual moving parade along a street or some such. I agree it's open to interpretation. If you are behind the visitors bench, the flag isn't actually ever paraded directly in front of you, so you could say you don't need to remove your hat at all.

    My view is that as we are all spectators in a bowl staring at the same field, when the flag enters the field it is being paraded in front of you. It's never the wrong thing to remove your hat to show respect for the soldiers and the flag in front of you, just as it's not wrong to remove it when indoors or in front of a lady (although no one adheres to those rules either.)

    I wouldn't criticize someone for remaining lidded during Lee Greenwood the way I would if they remain lidded during the anthem. But I think it's right and appropriate to remove your lid when the flag enters the arena.
    You make good points. I bet there's language out there somewhere that covers this. I'd imagine this has been addressed via the service academies. It wold be interesting to see their thoughts on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    Proud to be an American became inspirational when it played to accompany the display of colors, shortly after 9/11. With many local employees who worked at the Pentagon, and their families and neighbors being honored, it would be a shame to discontinue it. Playing it to accompany the flag ceremony has become part of the Ravens pre-game tradition. Fortunately, the playing of the National Anthem has been segregated to be played after the visiting team enters the field, so that we no longer have the chorus of boos accompanying the need of the anthem.

    America the Beautiful isn't going to catch on, after at least five decades of the movement trying to have it supplant the Star Spangled banner as the National Anthem, because it drags too much; it would fit better as a funeral march.

    As to the question "what other songs could they use" -- almost any tune written by John Phillip Sousa should qualify.
    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    I've been to many away games, and no one in the league does anything remotely close to what we do to honor the country before our games. As ActualSpamBot points out, it's not a memorial service. It is certainly not something we HAVE to do.

    And that makes me even more proud that we take the time and spend the money to do it. It was important to Modell, and a great part of his legacy that I hope we never lose. How often do servicemen get cheered by tens of thousands of people? Thanks to Baltimore, at least ten times a year.

    As to the song itself, I'd prefer to keep it. I don't love the song, but it has become part of the soundtrack to my Sundays. Gamedays have a very specific rhythm to them, and I love anything that keeps me in that rhythm. I don't love "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" as a song either, but I hope they never stop playing it at O's games. It's part of what makes us unique.
    Great points and I agree completely. Well said.




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    Escalators to the top of the stadium. I fear for a super moderator's life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista T View Post
    As to the question "what other songs could they use" -- almost any tune written by John Phillip Sousa should qualify.
    Some options:
    Stars and Stripes Forever (the National March of the United States of America, and easily performed in the 3-ish minutes that God Bless the USA takes)
    Semper Fidelis (Official March of the United States Marine Corps, written by Sousa while he was the conductor of the Marine Corps Band, as were most of the other well known marches he composed)
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    There are about a hundred or so others to choose from, but those are some of the most well known. I'm partial to Stars and Stripes Forever myself. Highly appropriate given that the flag is parading in front of us.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cvilleRaven View Post
    Some options:
    Stars and Stripes Forever (the National March of the United States of America, and easily performed in the 3-ish minutes that God Bless the USA takes)
    Semper Fidelis (Official March of the United States Marine Corps, written by Sousa while he was the conductor of the Marine Corps Band, as were most of the other well known marches he composed)
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    The Thunderer

    There are about a hundred or so others to choose from, but those are some of the most well known. I'm partial to Stars and Stripes Forever myself. Highly appropriate given that the flag is parading in front of us.
    Most of the Service bands use a trio to the march National Emblem
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5n3k4b0m8

    They also use the Grandioso of the Stars & Stripes Forever (last 32 measures), and the Marine Band likes Semper Fidelis of course.

    With so many premier Service bands in the area (Army Band, Marine Band, Naval Academy Band, Army Field Band to name a few), I've often wondered why the Ravens don't invite them to M&T occassionally. The Baltimore Colts used to do it quite a bit.

    Thursday Sept 11th we have a home game vs Pitt. That is 2 days before the 200th anniversary of the bombardment of Fort McHenry in Baltimore and the writing of the Star Spangled Banner. I certainly hope they invite one of them to that event. Personally I'd like to see the Army Band and the entire 3rd Infantry ceremonial unit arrayed on the field.

    I hope all you lame personnel grab your sacks and sing your National Anthem with pride for a change too.
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    Escalators to the top of the stadium. I fear for a super moderator's life.
    With Elevator music please
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