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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE



    The Graham ruling was correct, IMO. One could argue the whole TE pay scale should go up, but his salary will be determined by the top 5 TE's, and 4 out of 5 of them all lined up over 50% of the time in the slot. That's what elite TEs do now. Vernon Davis being the 1/5, and he lined up there 35% of the time.

    The argument that he plays mostly against linebackers and safeties, whereas elite (top 5) WR play corners, is also legit. Sure, there are exceptions, but by in large he's not facing the defense that the top WRs are.

    He should get paid more than Gronk on a long term deal, but not in the elite WR category (which is overblown anyway).




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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE

    The only reason Graham should make more than Gronk is because of injury history. Hes not the player that Gronk is. he has gaudy stats (partially due to NO strong aerial attack), but his efficiency is nowhere near Gronk (healthy) and he still cant block worth a shit. personally Id take Vernon Davis over him as well. Hes a weapon, no doubt about it, but I dont see him as the best, even by fantasy standards its not clear cut.
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    He will still get a mega TE deal that will up the scale significantly for the position. He just tried this to see if he could push the envelope. It didn't work, but he'll still get paid, barring injury.

    As for Dennis Pitta, I think his value is higher here than anywhere else. The chemistry between he and Joe Flacco is very valuable.
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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE

    The reason he lines up outside and in the slot is because he cannot block. So why use him as a decoy, put him in the slot and create a mismatch.

    Comparing Suggs situation to this, I thought Graham would likely get the nod. In a few years things will probably change but I guess not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    Receivers absolutely line up across from linebackers and safeties.

    Take the Cardinals for example. Their nickel defense includes dropping Tyrann Mathieu down to a nickel corner position and bringing in Rashad Johnson at free safety.

    Now, Mathieu is kind of a hybrid, but he is still a safety.

    We did the same thing here with Haruki Nakamura.
    Let me clarify a bit. #1 WRs in the NFL (the highest paid of which determine the tag number) do not line up against LBs and Safeties.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    The reason he lines up outside and in the slot is because he cannot block. So why use him as a decoy, put him in the slot and create a mismatch.

    Comparing Suggs situation to this, I thought Graham would likely get the nod. In a few years things will probably change but I guess not yet.
    Unless I'm mistaken, there was no ruling with Suggs. The Ravens and Suggs came to an agreement on a long-term deal before a ruling had to take place. Right?




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    Dennis Pitta was asked about the Jimmy Graham situation: “Why all the sudden because he’s labeled a tight end does that devalue his stock? I think it’s something that he should challenge because it’s not right that he can catch more touchdowns and yards than someone that is classified as a wide receiver yet because he has that tight end label, now all the sudden his value is cut in half.”
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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE

    Big difference. TEs should be paid as TEs. Just because Graham and a few others can't block so they split them out to create mismatches on LBs and safeties doesn't mean they should all be paid like WRs.

    But like others have said. Line him up against the Sherman's or Aso or etc.... And he isn't shit.




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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Big difference. TEs should be paid as TEs. Just because Graham and a few others can't block so they split them out to create mismatches on LBs and safeties doesn't mean they should all be paid like WRs.

    But like others have said. Line him up against the Sherman's or Aso or etc.... And he isn't shit.
    Good point
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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle View Post
    The reason he lines up outside and in the slot is because he cannot block. So why use him as a decoy, put him in the slot and create a mismatch.

    Comparing Suggs situation to this, I thought Graham would likely get the nod. In a few years things will probably change but I guess not yet.
    But then by that line of reasoning, why should you give that much money to a slot receiver (aka #3 receiver)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    But then by that line of reasoning, why should you give that much money to a slot receiver (aka #3 receiver)?

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    If you have looked at recent slot receiver contracts, the owners/gm's agree with you.
    Now, if you want to tag one of those little slot receivers, that is on you....




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    Re: Jimmy Graham is officially a TE

    Quote Originally Posted by Coastergenius View Post
    But then by that line of reasoning, why should you give that much money to a slot receiver (aka #3 receiver)?

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