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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.



    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    I wonder what the legal implications of that are. If that impacts NFL licensing, which is a HUGE revenue stream, that could get this thing moving in a big hurry.
    After the Danny Snyders exhaust their appeals, you bet your arse it will. Any & every 3rd-world manufacturer will be able to crank out stuff with the "R*dsk*ns" logos & undercut the wildly-overpriced "NFL licensed" crap without paying the team a (you should pardon the expression) red cent for the use. So long as they leave the "NFL" off the look-alikes, neither the team nor the league will have any legal recourse.

    And yes, that should get things moving rather quickly. Note in particular that an earlier decision to this effect was only overturned on a technicality which the plaintiffs have corrected this time around. Danny Boy's only real option (other than changing the name) is to try & drag out the appeals long enough for the GOP to take the White House & stack the commission with corpitalist shills who'll reverse the ruling. (One brief glance at the roster of Republican hopefuls for 2016 should make cooler heads think twice...but that's JMO of course.)

    And just FTR, am I the only one who's over the imbecile commenters on that site whining over the eeeeebil gummint when in fact it was that same eeeeeeebil gummint's official sanction of the R*dsk*ns trademark that has enabled the team to make obscene profits on the sale of its fan stuff? Does anyone really think an "NFL licensed" jersey that probably costs all of $0.39 to make in one of those 3rd-world sweatshops is worth paying >$100 for otherwise?? The Feds are getting out of the way of the market for once, & they bitch & moan...
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    There is so much derp in this sentence.

    Tell ya what, why don't you go into your nearest black majority neighborhood and start talking to the "colored boys." That should make for a good lecture on how people should never have issue with words/phrases that have non-racist origins and that were commonly tossed around 50-75 years ago.
    Talk about derp.

    If that were a fungible analogy, you'd have a point.

    Go find me members of the black community that find the N word ok. Or find me leaders of the black community who are ok being called colored.

    Because I CAN find numerous tribal leaders who are totally ok with the term Redskin and understand it's true history.
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brien Jackson View Post
    At this point I'd put the over/under on the league forcing a new nickname at two years, tops.
    I believe that the league will put an end to this nonsense in less than 2 years. Maybe just in a few months. The trademark ruling will hit NFL Properties, i.e. all 32 teams will be pinched. Right or wrong, giving up the Redskins name is going to happen. Landover fans are braced for it - they'll get over it, just as they got over dropping the stolen "Bullets" name in favor of the ultra-inspiring <sarcasm> team name of "Wizards".

    I personally think that this matter reflects how PC has gone nuts and that there is improper Government intervention into Snyder's private property rights, but this is 2014. In any event, Snyder has been a schmuck, steering the demise of a once-respected franchise into the 32nd best managed NFL team. Most Redskins fans I know are prepared for the inevitable, anyway.
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So because a word has been co-opted a minority and turned it into a word that a small few find offensive, a business has to change its entire brand?

    And that's not political correctness run amuck?
    Small few? How do you know it's a small few? Seems like there are a great many people -- not just native americans -- offended by the name and believing it should be changed. I'm one of them. There are many others on this site alone. I don't see how that's a "small few."

    And the word was not co-opted by a minority and more than the n-word was. Its common usage became derogatory over time. That's simply not in dispute.

    The only argument being made in favor of keeping the name is, "Well, WE don't mean it in a racist way." To which I say: so what? You don't get a pass for using racially offensive terms by saying you don't mean it in a racist way.
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    Just change the damn name and get it over with. Move them into DC while they're at it.
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustaslowZ06 View Post
    Exactly!!!! It was brought by FIVE individuals. NOT the American Indian Council, which yes guys there is one, sort of like the NAACP only for well Native Americans.
    Poor argument. Brown v Board of Education was filed by 13 plaintiffs, not the entire NAACP. Does that mean only 13 people that segregation was racist and unfair?
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    Poor argument. Brown v Board of Education was filed by 13 plaintiffs, not the entire NAACP. Does that mean only 13 people that segregation was racist and unfair?
    Horrible analogy
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Go find me members of the black community that find the N word ok. Or find me leaders of the black community who are ok being called colored.
    For part one, how many rap albums would you like me to cite? For part two, how about every single member of the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED People?
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Okay, now for a little levity. I have a solution. Rename the team, the Washington Ravens South. And under an exception rule, Ozzie Newsome will be allowed to run both teams.


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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Horrible analogy
    Why? Or are you just leaving it at that?

    JustaslowZ06 was stating that since the trademark case was filed by only five people, it was not representative a significant concern. I'm pointing out that most legal cases are brought by a few people, and it doesn't speak one whit to the significance of the concern.
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    Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    For part one, how many rap albums would you like me to cite? For part two, how about every single member of the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED People?
    So the same word has a different, less offensive meaning? Go figure!

    You know exactly which versions of the words that's at issue here. And it's context of use.
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotInHere View Post
    For part one, how many rap albums would you like me to cite? For part two, how about every single member of the National Association for the Advancement of COLORED People?
    lol
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    So the same word has a different, less offensive meaning? Go figure!

    You know exactly which version of the word that's at issue here.
    You're not getting this.

    You don't get the privilege of saying "Hey, you, colored guy. Oh no, it's okay. I don't mean it in the offensive way. I mean it in the NAACP way." "Hey, my n****. What are you so upset about? I mean it in the Public Enemy way."

    But that's what you want to do with redskin. You want to say, "Hey, Mr. Native American, you don't have the right to be upset. I was using it in the way 19th century native americans used it in a non-offensive way to refer to themselves."

    The "version of the word", as you call it, is not determined by the intent of the speaker.
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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    To a very small minority of people who have misinterpreted the history and lineage of the word. Numerous tribes are totally fine with it.

    Even the Smithsonian has weighed in in this, saying it's not a derogatory term.
    Exactly. Redskins was not a derogatory term until a few people suddenly decided to view it as such, then it got listed in some dictionaries as such, with the hope that the mainstream would view it that way.

    Slippery slope to say the least...what happens next, white dudes decide that being called "cowboy" is offensive, and Dallas has to change their name too?




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    Re: Washington loses it trademark for team name.

    Change their logo to a potato. Problem solved ...





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