One and Done for Kubiak?

**JimZipCode** · 06-12-2014, 10:29 AM

I've seen this idea widely circulated in posts, and Tony has a piece on it today as well:

http://russellstreetreport.com/it-co...-in-baltimore/

The idea is that Kubiak has such a great resume as a coordinator, and was successful enough as a HC, that one year off will bring teams knocking on his door to be a head man again. Teams won't hold 2-14 against him, because Schaub fell of a cliff and there were injuries – extenuating circumstances.

Do you guys agree with that? Will Kubiak be a hot head coaching commodity next year? I'm not sure I see it that way.

First of all, Kubiak's record as a HC is pretty good, but it's not compellingly good – it's not so good that it screams awesomeness. Out of 8 seasons in Houston, only 3 seasons above .500, and the last season pushed his overall record back below .500. This would look different if it weren't for the QB injuries in 2011, and late seasons let-down in 2012. I thought they had built the best team in the AFC in 2011, but TJ Yates wasn't able to land the plane for them. If Schaub had been able to finish out that season, maybe Kubiak's record would include a conference championship appearance. But that's not what we have. I think many teams will deem him unexciting.

Second of all, the way for coordinators to get head jobs is if their unit is awesome. I see great strides for the Ravens offense this year; but we were so shitty last year, it would take great strides just to get us up to "average". I don't see us being really good on offense, like top 10, until the season after. And that's fine: it's a process.

I see Kubiak with us for two or even three seasons. Which is great. It lets the organization soak in the offense, all the way down to its bones. Flacco and the O-line and receivers will be experts; the coaching staff will be experts. It'll be the way the team does business.

Anyone else think the same?

**HoustonRaven** · 06-12-2014, 10:33 AM

I don't think it's going to take great strides to get us to "average" on offense. Rather, some disciplined tweaking (and, of course, staying healthy) with the talent we have and we're every bit a top 10 offense.

I doubt he will be one and done. But to your point, if your team loses coordinators every 2-3 years, your organization is doing something right. If Kubes move on after 2-3 successful seasons, so be it.

The price of success. It's a good problem to have.

**Sarcasticfury** · 06-12-2014, 10:51 AM

If Kubiak was 1 and done here I could see the Ravens promoting from within but keeping Kubiak's playbook.

**wickedsolo** · 06-12-2014, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Sarcasticfury

If Kubiak was 1 and done here I could see the Ravens promoting from within but keeping Kubiak's playbook.

I believe that is why they hired Denison as well.

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**RavenScallywag** · 06-12-2014, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I believe that is why they hired Denison as well.

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But here's the thing...if Kubiak gets hired, Dennison is clearly his guy (In that, he loves Dennison and wants him with him). If the Ravens offer a promotion to OC, but so does Kubiak, wouldn't Kubiak have stronger ties with Dennison? The only way I could see Dennison remaining here is if we can somehow block that move, which I don't think is possible because it'd be a promotion for Dennison. He wouldn't accept a quick promotion to OC here, because he would know Kubiak is bringing him along.

In theory, of course.

**BcRaven** · 06-12-2014, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I believe that is why they hired Denison as well.

Insurance.

Of course it's possible that if Kubiak gets a HC gig he will take Denison along as OC. I believe they have some years of coaching together... Bc

**jonboy79** · 06-12-2014, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I believe that is why they hired Denison as well.

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Denison would almost certainly go with him to be the OC wherever Kubiak were to land.

**wickedsolo** · 06-12-2014, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by jonboy79

Denison would almost certainly go with him to be the OC wherever Kubiak were to land.

We dont know that.

Denison may prefer to stay in Baltimore as the OC.

**AirFlacco** · 06-12-2014, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I believe that is why they hired Denison as well.

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They hired Denison because Kubes wanted to bring him along. He didn't have a job and if he gets another HC job, Kubes will probably take him
with him as his OC.

Kubes did say at his presser he wasn't using this as a stepping stone to another HC job but just wanted to be the best OC in the game but you know that BS if he's offered another job.

Caldwell lucked out because DET wanted to hire Dungy who wanted to stay retired and he recommended his old pal so they hired him but he
won't last long either.

**BigPlayReceiver** · 06-12-2014, 03:45 PM

If all Kubiak was to accomplish in 1 year was 1) help return the OL to excellence, and 2) improve Joe's footwork/accuracy then that's just fine with me.

**lowrider** · 06-12-2014, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by AirFlacco

Kubes did say at his presser he wasn't using this as a stepping stone to another HC job but just wanted to be the best OC in the game but you know that BS if he's offered another job.

Maybe, maybe not. I do think he'll be a HC again but he won't take just any job. It sounded like he was excited to get back into the OC job where can interact with the players more and teach. But he won't be one and done here. 2-3 years before he either moves on as a HC elsewhere, or Harbs decides to move on and Kubes takes over here.

**RavenScallywag** · 06-12-2014, 10:53 AM

For those who doubt he might be gone next year...Just remember Caldwell had 1 and change as our OC before getting tabbed by the Lions. And he was coming off an abysmal season as HC as well. So it's WELL within the possibilities if we show marked improvement.

The key is going to be Kubiak's wishes. He may not want to hit the HC track after 1 year, may want to take another season to get his sea legs back before throwing himself in such a high stress job again.

If he goes, there's a chance we push hard for Dennison to stay, but my guess is he's gone. We can block an interview, but can't block the hiring I think (could be wrong there). Pariani makes a lot of sense, I still think Castillo does too (if the notion that last year's OL struggles were not all Castillo's fault). It'll be interesting, and somewhat gut wrenching, to watch