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    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    I have never argued that Lincoln wasn't staunchly anti-slavery. I said he was a racist. Thinking another race is inferior=racist.

    Y'all seem to keep bringing up "context of the times", so let me do likewise. People have been arguing that Tom Sawyer should be banned because of the n-bomb. In the context of the times, that was not a racist term. A few decades later during the Harlem Renaissance literary era from 1919-1940, "negro" was the politically correct term. Political correctness tends to shift and change over the years so what was fine becomes offensive. Tom Sawyer is not racist because the n-bomb was socially acceptable across all social strata during the time of its setting. Saying one race is inferior is racist no matter what era or context. Now if you wish to argue that nearly everybody was racist back then so it's no surprise Lincoln was too, then I'd have to agree.

    As for my first two quotes, those were in response to Trap saying Lincoln was a great guy because he ended slavery. While Lincoln was anti-slavery, for his political career it only interested him as a means to ending the war. The full quote you so helpfully provided shows that.
    But you forget my link. He gave them the right to vote and was solely responsible for pushing the 13th amendment thru and the war was all but won. If he had those strong racist sentiments he wouldn't have done that. Nobody in the country could have done that. Nobody. He met with Douglas and other black leaders and did the right thing. Any traces of racism in him were gone. Again, you took things out of context and he wasn't nearly as bad as you painted him out to be. He never had slaves flogged them like Lee, Wash, and Andy Jackson who was for keeping the country together also, even though he owned about 600 slaves. Lincoln was no where the racist that those dudes or your ancestors were and they are all considered good men by history.

    My family fought for Lee. They're from Baltimore and probably took part during the riots on Pratt St (they lived down there and up Wilkens Ave) when Union soldiers marched down to the Camden train station where Camden Yards is. About a dozen citizens were killed and injured. Thats when the war really started. That was the first blood. Nobody died at Ft Sumpter except one soldier the next day when some ordnance accidently exploded but that was after the fight. More citizens were killed in Baltimore but I don't know how I could have fought for slavery back then. I would have fought vs my own family to keep the country strong. It wasn't too smart for my ancestors to fight at Antietam and then devour the state including their own homes in Baltimore had they won. Not even Lee would do that to Va. And it's a civil war to be sure when fathers fight vs sons and brothers vs brothers and uncles vs nephews. BTW, the victory at Antietam paved the way for the Emancipation Proclamation.


    We all have our demons. You've seen mine in here and I asked God and the forum to forgive me. Times change. It hasn't been that long since you better not use the N-bomb anywhere in polite society. When I was a kid it was commonly used. No mas. Times change as people change and that's good and Lincoln was good and killed for it by a Southern officer and spy from right up the road here.

    And think about this. The south would have never suffered in the post war reconstruction era if you want to call it that. Lincoln wanted to forgive them and bring them back into the family but he died and his successors wanted to punish the south and it is still poor today with states like MIss, Arkansas and Alabama.

    Things would have been much better had Lincoln lived. Booth said he did it for his country but he royally screwed it. That's where the hate and racism is, not with Lincoln.
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    As to why Lincoln applied the proclamation only to southern states:

    Even his advisors were against it.

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    President Lincoln justified the Emancipation Proclamation as a war measure intended to cripple the Confederacy. Being careful to respect the limits of his authority, Lincoln applied the Emancipation Proclamation only to the Southern states in rebellion.

    See Abraham Lincoln's Draft of the Emancipation Proclamation
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    Despite it's intention the Proclamation didn't free any slaves at the moment. The war still raged on. Dr. Tony Evans, black pastor of one of Dallas' largest diverse churches said on radio that blacks there don't celebrate their freedom til the Union Army rode into town.

    That's when they knew they were free and use that date every year for celebrations not the year the Proclamation was issued.




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    I never, in my life, felt more certain that I was doing right, than I do in signing this paper, he declared. If my name ever goes into history it will be for this act, and my whole soul is in it."
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    And that's what people and history remember about Lincoln Darb, not your comments.




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    History is full of stuff that gets glossed over by the guys with the biggest guns. Everybody knows that, except for maybe you.

    It's entirely possible to hate a group of people and still be anti-slavery. I look down on the Squeelers and their inbred fans. I don't think they should be forced into slavery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    History is full of stuff that gets glossed over by the guys with the biggest guns. Everybody knows that, except for maybe you.

    And they thought they were going to win it in one month. ILMAO At least you said maybe but that's when I know I'm winning.



    It's entirely possible to hate a group of people and still be anti-slavery. I look down on the Squeelers and their inbred fans. I don't think they should be forced into slavery.
    I do. I'd love to flogg those muthers, man.

    We used to throw them out of our bar on Fri nights.

    I had a job at APG testing and firing tanks and was almost fired just for joking that I was going to turn the turret around and point it at Pissburgh. The officers weren't sure if I was joking or not. They knew my hatred for them after I was roughed up there.

    Ever been to a game up there wearing your colors and cheering darb?

    BTw, have you ever been to Baltimore at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackmaster View Post
    Probably not in a courtroom, because I think that America's immunity would protect it from losing in court, and I agree that it won't be by bloodshed.
    Immunity? The federal government is often sued over constitutional issues.

    The fact is Lincoln was wrong, states have the right to secede. One, it is not prohibited by the Constitution and the 10th amendment makes it clear that rights not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved for the states or the people. Two, when states ratified the Constitution they were required to ratify it as proposed and with no qualifiers. Two states, NY and VA both ratified the Constitution with the proviso that they could secede if and when they wanted. The federal government accepted this ratification meaning that it was understood secession was constitutional. If not, those ratifications would not have been accepted.




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    The secessionists are a very small but vocal fringe group. They believe in a internet rumor that Texas somehow has the power to secede. It does not.
    Military power? No. Legal right? Yes.




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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    While Vermont might want to leave, Texas, IMO, could theoretically support itself financially, where few if any OTHER states COULD.

    I think Alaska is another. Basically it takes Oil, lots of it, IMO.
    There are many, many countries that are successful that are small and do not have oil resources.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    There are many, many countries that are successful that are small and do not have oil resources.
    Monaco.

    The Vatican.
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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Military power? No. Legal right? Yes.
    Texas does not have a legal right to secede.
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    Oops
    Although Walsh's system of offense can compensate for lack of talent; however, defense is a different story. According to Walsh, talent on defense was essential and could not be compensated for. What did Walsh do in 1981? He acquired physical and talented players on defense.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    I do. I'd love to flogg those muthers, man.

    We used to throw them out of our bar on Fri nights.

    I had a job at APG testing and firing tanks and was almost fired just for joking that I was going to turn the turret around and point it at Pissburgh. The officers weren't sure if I was joking or not. They knew my hatred for them after I was roughed up there.

    Ever been to a game up there wearing your colors and cheering darb?

    BTw, have you ever been to Baltimore at all?
    There is no need to walk in a cesspool to know it's full of shit.

    And yes, I've been to Baltimore. I find the inner harbor quite entertaining along with whatever y'all call that place across the water. Good pizza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Texas does not have a legal right to secede.
    Depends who you ask.


    Is secession legal or even possible? It depends on who you ask. Many legal scholars say the event is a legal and practical impossibility.

    Although the TexasSecede.com website says that the Texas constitution does not specifically say that the state has the right to leave the Union, there are other provisions that the site says should allow it to happen.

    “Joining the Union was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option,” says the site. “Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that ‘All political power is inherent in the people … they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.’”

    The website says that while legal scholars and of course, national leaders say that Texas and other states can’t secede from the Union, they point out that President Ulysses S. Grant “readmitted” states like Texas to the Union after the Civil War through government actions, proving that the Confederate states were indeed considered to have left the US and therefore had to be “readmitted.”




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    Depends who you ask.


    Is secession legal or even possible? It depends on who you ask. Many legal scholars say the event is a legal and practical impossibility.

    Although the TexasSecede.com website says that the Texas constitution does not specifically say that the state has the right to leave the Union, there are other provisions that the site says should allow it to happen.

    “Joining the Union was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option,” says the site. “Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that ‘All political power is inherent in the people … they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.’”

    The website says that while legal scholars and of course, national leaders say that Texas and other states can’t secede from the Union, they point out that President Ulysses S. Grant “readmitted” states like Texas to the Union after the Civil War through government actions, proving that the Confederate states were indeed considered to have left the US and therefore had to be “readmitted.”
    Which means there was never a civil war.
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