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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?



    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
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    About which part? Never being a civil war, or Lincoln being a racist scumbag? Cause both are historical facts.
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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by darb72 View Post
    About which part? Never being a civil war, or Lincoln being a racist scumbag? Cause both are historical facts.
    You answered my question. Thanks.
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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by NCRAVEN View Post
    We've been in Afghanistan for over 10 years and haven't won yet. I don't think it would be unwinnable. Difficult, yes. But that's if it were against the U.S. Military, which I just don't see happening.

    I could see a few states succeeding, probably in my lifetime. How it would go though, I'm not really sure.
    We've contained them and killed or captured most if not all of their original leaders that planned 911. We destroyed the Taliban within 6 months, something the Russians couldn't do in 10 years there.

    Prob was, after that the gov't let them re-group like the North Vietnamese did after both Tet Offensives and they came back. We let
    the back door open for the Taliban just like in Nam.

    Even still, those 5 terrorists OBY just traded were caught a long time ago and will probably be re-caught.

    After the military drove Binny out of Afghanistan they eased up. the Seals finally killed him. The operations just aren't as intense as they were in the beginning and won't be unless there's another 911.

    We've won just due to the fact there hasn't been one. There's been some bombings like in Boston but that wasn't even a Taliban operation.

    We're still over there now to keep Russia and China from taking over the mid east oil in Iraq and Saudi Arbia. The one who controls those countries controls the oil and that's us.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AirFlacco View Post
    We've contained them and killed or captured most if not all of their original leaders that planned 911. We destroyed the Taliban within 6 months, something the Russians couldn't do in 10 years there.

    Prob was, after that the gov't let them re-group like the North Vietnamese did after both Tet Offensives and they came back. We let
    the back door open for the Taliban just like in Nam.

    Even still, those 5 terrorists OBY just traded were caught a long time ago and will probably be re-caught.

    After the military drove Binny out of Afghanistan they eased up. the Seals finally killed him. The operations just aren't as intense as they were in the beginning and won't be unless there's another 911.

    We've won just due to the fact there hasn't been one. There's been some bombings like in Boston but that wasn't even a Taliban operation.

    We're still over there now to keep Russia and China from taking over the mid east oil in Iraq and Saudi Arbia. The one who controls those countries controls the oil and that's us.
    Part of my point was IF it were against the US Military. I just don't see all, or even most members of the military joining a fight for blood for a state wanting to leave the union.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedsolo View Post
    I used Texas because many often think that most Texans view their state as if it were its own country, which I could understand that image.
    While Vermont might want to leave, Texas, IMO, could theoretically support itself financially, where few if any OTHER states COULD.

    I think Alaska is another. Basically it takes Oil, lots of it, IMO.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    While Vermont might want to leave, Texas, IMO, could theoretically support itself financially, where few if any OTHER states COULD.

    I think Alaska is another. Basically it takes Oil, lots of it, IMO.
    Oil is forth on the list of top economic factors for Texas, behind Information Technology, Cattle and Defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Oil is forth on the list of top economic factors for Texas, behind Information Technology, Cattle and Defense.
    That is surprising, but simply even MORE reason to list as to why Texas was brought up in this discussion.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonboy79 View Post
    That is surprising, but simply even MORE reason to list as to why Texas was brought up in this discussion.
    Ok. How?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Ok. How?
    It is a state that has talked about it in the past, and it makes at least SOME logistical sense.

    How much fun is it talking about Vermont Succeeding the union?
    It's my home state and I love it, but Ben and Jerry's and Green Mountain Coffee aren't going to cut it... neither is skiing tourism, "leafers" or Maple Syrup... not even with Cabot Cheese thrown in. IT would have a "better" chance getting Quebec to succeed Canada and join them...

    Texas is at least seen as a state that has the resources to succeed on it's own two feet if it WERE to succeed, so the fact that it has been discussed there at one time makes it the prime target.
    Despite Vermont having talked about it "fairly regularly" since the 1800's and "supposedly" having legal loopholes no other states possess. I say supposedly because I can't find legal backing, but the "talk" when I was in HS was that the US hadn't wised up completely as to how they were going to add states after the 13 colonies joined, and Vermont being the 14th state(1st additional to join) that theoretically, the US JOINED the sovereign nation of Vermont, and not vice versa, again, supposedly.


    Also, being a Republican state will SURELY make a state more likely to be talked about succeeding RIGHT NOW then any Democratic/Liberal state such as VT. With the State of the Federal Gov't it would SURELY be a conservative state to try, if one were to even attempt.




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    I read somewhere that if Texas were on it's own, it'd have something like the 13th best GDP in the world.

    I don't think there is a question that they could survive economically if they were to be left alone.

    The issue would be the massive embargo they'd face as well as the fact that if push came to shove, the US would involve it's military and there's no way Texas has anything to combat it...the US needs Texas IMHO.

    I think it's good to talk about, but I don't see any State following through...and frankly, I don't see it solving any of our root problems.


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    I wondered if Texas did secede from the US, would Mexico invade Texas to reclaim the land?

    Anyway, this is a good discussion. I honestly don't see this happen as long the two-party system controls the political climate at the state and federal levels.... However, this would be something worth discussing should the two-party system collapses....

    As for the military.... Each state does have a national guard; however, the national guard also serves the federal government in the non-peacetime. I wonder in case of secession, where will the national guard members' loyalty lies? The state or the federal?

    Should there be an armed conflict, it wouldn't be surprised me if some members of the military would side with their states or such (General Robert Lee)... But I dont think this will come into fruition as I dont also think they would want to be in an armed conflict with their brothers in arm over something that concerns the pretty pants (politicians) more than the average joes....




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    Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Y'all are vastly overestimating the secession movement here.

    It's simply not a popular movement. Not even close.
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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn View Post
    The issue would be the massive embargo they'd face as well as the fact that if push came to shove, the US would involve it's military and there's no way Texas has anything to combat it...the US needs Texas IMHO.
    And Texas needs the US.
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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Texas was once a country and joined the union via a treaty. Sam Houston died with a broken heart in 1863 when Texas left with the rest of the South. He's the one who brought it into the union as a constituent state.
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    Re: Is another US Civil War Possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
    Y'all are vastly overestimating the secession movement here.

    It's simply not a popular movement. Not even close.
    It is just a hypothetical discussion.


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