Quote Originally Posted by HoustonRaven View Post
That's nothing but hyperbole based off your inaccurate inference to the 10th Amendments use in the secession argument.

It's a straw man position.
How is my 10th amendment statement inaccurate? It says the powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved for the states or people. It does allow the tangents you tried to claim it didn't. The federal government does not have delegated to it the right to force states to remain in the union, unless you can find it.

And again, not once have you addressed VA and NY, both BARELY ratifying and only doing so because they required the Constitution to allow the right to secede.

You seem to think that might makes right and the Constitution is to be determined by armed conflict and not legal reasoning; otherwise why make the statement:
Except the Civil War actually did happen, thus those statements and agreements back in the colonial times that allowed states to opt out of the new union were rendered null and void.